"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 9

Ahh, just a chat with the BBC's Health Correspondent, Dominic Hughes.

The story is on Woman's Hour now.

Bethany and another of the Darlington Nurses were on GMB this morning, and got a surprisingly sympathetic interview. I wasn’t listening too closely (because 7.15am) but there didn’t appear to be any pushback from Susanna Reid and Ed Balls about the poor menz. I’ve linked a clip that I haven’t watched, but a couple of the comments are interesting.

They won't necessarily have any of the nurses on. It might just be a BBC social affairs correspondent giving a run-through while Nuala McGovern makes noises of concern.

Pretty sure Beth will give it her best and now she is visibly more confident

that, @nauticant sounds very much like the triumph of hope over experience.

The Darlington nurses' case is going to get another hearing on Woman's Hour this morning. I wonder if it'll be treated with less contempt than the previous handling.

Well, that's annoying, MN stripped away the link after I pressed post.

Two of the Darlo nurses were interviewed on Free Speech Nation:

It's the first thing on the show so easy to find. Maybe around 7 minutes in to the video.

@Forester1 yes, I wholeheartedly agree. That being said, not being decent (and Henderson certainly hasn't been, unlike the other TIM mentioned in passing in the judgment who never entered the changing room) is not a punishable offence and would not necessarily be harassment.

The positive thing is that TRA cannot claim it's a judgment against a bad sheep and they can't victimize him.

Re the walking down the dark quiet road analogy I think Roses behaviour is akin to a man walking down one side of the street, a lone woman walking in the opposite direction on the other side of the street. And just when they’re reaching the same point the man crosses the road to be on the same side as the woman. Most women would feel increasingly threatened by that action irrespective of the intentions of the man. Decent men recognise that and wouldn’t cross the road at that point.

Thanks. Just found her page online.

Yes it is and she is still a long way short of her target. I've just celebrated the Darlington judgement with some carrots for Faye. Just thought I'd mention it as others might be able/willing to do the same.

Is the Faye Caldicott case NHS as well? I think that's due to be heard soon.

https://www.thenorthernecho.co.uk/news/25774775.employers-told-look-single-sex-space-policies/?ref=cprfa

This comment is infuriating:

An NHS spokesman said: “We are working through the implications of the Supreme Court ruling, and we absolutely recognise the need for revised guidance on same-sex accommodation as soon as possible.
“It’s important that we wait for the Equality and Human Rights Commission to publish its statutory guidance following the Supreme Court’s judgment before final decisions about future policy are taken – but we are working closely with Government to ensure we can provide updated guidance for the health service as soon as possible.”

They are still working through the implications of the SC judgement, coming up to a year later 🤔 This judgement should be a wake up call that their policy is unlawful, but they still have to wait for the EHRC code of practice, which Bridget Phillipson is refusing to lay before parliament.

I agree, it’s just a case of convincing people that men are not allowed in women’s spaces. No small matter!

If the employer's policies are reasonable and lawful, and their enforcement of those policies is robust, that's all that's needed from a legal viewpoint, I think.

I think that has to be the point.

If the changing rooms are for women, then transwomen may not use them. That is all that matters.

If a transwoman is a kind, nice, considerate man that still does not mean he can use the women’s changing rooms. Neither may he if he looks very pretty and quite feminine, as that still does not make any difference: he is a man and men are not allowed.

Like with failing socialist states we seem to be ending up with a nomenklatura. A bureaucratic class which forms a power elite within our government, civil service and public sector including unions. Their interest is not the working class they claim to serve but preserving their own power. What better way to ensure ordinary women know their place than by humiliating them in changing rooms. Or calling out academics for wrong speech, etc.

The NHS in particular does not seem to care about the people at the coal face. Those working nights in A&E on Christmas eve. Its not just the trans issue. Ordinary workers don't count, even consultants are thought of in terms of numbers. No wonder productivity is falling.

Until our nomenklatura starts valuing the dedicated people who contribute to our society, things will get worse.

Fiona Macdonald is suing PCS (you can Google her case) and Sandie Peggie is suing the RCN, but there really needs to be a case brought against Unison.

Time for a discrimination case against the union?

Because they are misogynistic shits who don't give a stuff about the working class women they are meant to protect.

Not even an attempt to acknowledge that there may be different and very valid views.

Useless unions.

Unison's statement on the judgement:

https://www.unison.org.uk/news/article/2026/01/unison-statement-on-nhs-legal-case/

Basically, we haven't read it yet because it's too long but we stand by our trans and non-binary members (but not women who want the single spaces they are entitled to in law). Bastards.

Jolyon etc are treating it as “two out of three to us”.