"Darlington Nurses" vs County Durham and Darlington NHS Trust Tribunal Thread 9

So the Trust has apologised then?

www.itv.com/news/tyne-tees/2026-01-19/trust-apologises-after-nurses-claim-tribunal-victory-in-trans-changing-room-row

Ed to Dr Stock: "What is it that you’re going to say that provokes this kind of reaction"

Uh, that men can’t magically transform into women. Something humans have ‘known’ for several hundred thousand years, but which some people have decided to argue otherwise in the last few decades.

It just beggars belief that our rights to sss’s relies on the integrity of so few judges as we found to our detriment that can’t rely on medical, educational, sports, corporate, or social professionals or politicians.

That point is not unreasonable but i doubt it will happen

The Supreme Court judgment can be overruled by a change in the law, for example to the Equality Act 2010. I would expect that someone doing the advertised role in the Cabinet Office who, depending on how they view things, might take it upon themselves to lobby for trans rights, could have discussions with senior people in the government to this end.

Yes i have, the Supreme Court cannot be undermined in any way. So nobody knows what the actual job will involve it is hard to imagine it being anything other than a made up job to appease the TRA’s in the Labour Party.

I also believe that aside from a time issue, there is no way that the government will amend or introduce a new Act to allow males in to women's spaces.

progress is going to be slow i agree

I wouldn't be too sure about that. Have you seen the thread about the new civil servant in the Cabinet Office?

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5478346-new-trans-equality-civil-servant-at-the-cabinet-office-to-focus-on-the-implications-of-2025s-supreme-court-judgment?reply=149973446

The reverse ferreting has well and truly begun now the trans desk has been locked in the broom cupboard

Ed is in the JM position of needing to be a true believer though. At least publicly.

How long has Ed Balls known what a woman is? My jaw was on the floor with his performance "it's just common sense" / "why is everyone so afraid?" - compared to the hard line of "TWAW" the Labour Party has taken all these years.

There was a thread on Mumsnet many years ago about how the "peaking" would unfold; those who were against women's rights, would all suddenly be on board, as though they always had been. If anyone can point to it, I'd be grateful.

Well now, that's interesting.

Also makes clear who is being referred to. GI notwithstanding using 'her' for both may have caused confusion as to who the judge was talking about.

I'm still working my way through the judgment but this part gave me a smile:

We estimate that it would have taken about 10 seconds for Mrs Danson to get to her locker. She was not aware of anyone else in the changing room at the time. Rose was stood facing Rose’s own locker. When Mrs Danson reached her locker and stood facing it, her view of Rose (to her left) was of Rose’s back.

I'd like to commend the judge's excellent use (and non-use) of pronouns.

I don't think I've seen that footage before. How could he sit there and watch footage of dark masked figures holding up smoke bombs and banners aimed at one polite, calm woman and in the next breath call this woman who is seated right in front of him, extreme?

https://x.com/i/status/2013186563664982216

The Kathleen Stock interview

https://x.com/DarlingtonUnion/status/2013237618629128408?s=20

Great pic!

well, yes, but i think one or maybe two were on TV?
I do think we need to know these things, i guess it will come out.

That was noticeably different and my main take away from the interview today. Has it finally sunk in with Ed that maybe, just maybe, women are entitled to their private spaces regardless of how the trans individual feels?

Thanks @Raquelos unfortunately, I’m still not able to get to the article, it might be because I have had an hsj subscription in the past, but it’s not letting me in.

Ah sorry the image hasn't posted. let me try again.

Sorry, ignore me, my link didn't work 😕

I don't suppose anyone has a subscription to the Health Service Journal?

I've just seen a headline about Streeting sending an NHS England Director to investigate the trust, but I don't have access to read further.

Theodore Upton was the male hockey player.

Yes, I know LM, a real woman not the pretendy kind, mentioned playing hockey and told the tribunal she didn't mind a trans person (note sex unspecified) in the CR. But I was thinking of the TIM in either the Sandie Peggie or Darlington case who had been a hockey player in a men's team. I think it was Upton.

If I remember correctly, 'Rose' has not been using the female changing room for some time now, since April/May last year when Wes Streeting sent in some (male) head honcho nurse for the north east to sort it out.

So 'Rose' is changing somewhere if he's still working there, as I believe he is. Has he been beaten up? Has he become so depressed at being excluded from being with the girlies that he's plunged into a state of depression? In short, has the sky fallen in over Darlington? I think not. I expect he pulled on his big boy pants and got on with it

Lottie Miles was the hockey player. She mentioned in passing that she played hockey in a mixed team.