Where is Matt Lucas?

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As long as you held that exact rationale in cases such as Caroline Flack's speculation of guilt, then fine. People are entitled to be wary of witch hunts, regardless as to who's being hunted.

I didn't say it was fair, but that it was unlike a tv or theatre show, for example, where staff and members of the public or contestants would be subjected to him daily.

All these threads opening up asking questions like this one are not helpful to anyone . I am sure some ppl being associated with this filth will be feeling very depressed about being under suspicion like this and it's not fair on the truly innocent ones . It's the sort of thing a troll does and not very becoming .

^You are victim blaming.

You are victim blaming

Imagine if everyone took the stance of look away, nothing to see here, stop stirring things up etc.

People like you mean it goes on and on.

Those who know but stay silent are complicit in abuse/rape/grooming etc. Do you prefer people to be complicit?

You can actually just watch the abuse on YouTube.

It’s really uncomfortable viewing though, be warned.

You are victim blaming.

Agreeing to vaginal sex does not not mean you want to be anally raped.

Stop with your disgusting victim blaming. He raped her. She was the victim not the rapist RB. Choose better people to defend. Vomit worthy.

Well done @AllieJayP you have literally demonstrated victim blaming. You have done, exactly that. Whether you meant to or not.

"She made herself available" WTF

I 'make myself available ' to my DH. Doesn't mean I'm ok with anal sex and if he did that to me it would be rape!

This sort of sexist, predatory behaviour is rife in most industries not just entertainment. Policing, law, politics, retail, and finance are a few I can think of. The only difference is that when the perpetrator has been on TV, the abuse becomes newsworthy. If RB had been a barrister or senior manager in a retail chain the coverage would have been a few brief reports in the news pages, not the current media frenzy.

if someone I had worked closely with 20 years ago was outed as an abuser I wouldn't be rushing to remind everyone of our association. I'd be keeping out of it.

Yes, but I am NOT !!

Only advocating that women take more care of themselves.

I only mentioned this topic IRO of Brand’s single Rape conviction.

Not Williams. He hasn’t been tried or convicted.

If I meet my partner in a hotel room knowing I am having sex I am making myself ‘available’ for that, and I am doing that willingly. Does that mean he has the right to use my body in every way? Because I made myself ‘available’ for vaginal sex? No. It doesn’t. If he attempts to take it beyond that - and I say no - he is raping me. End of.
You are victim blaming.

I think theaters and sets should have done much better at stopping his behavior but can see it's a hard environment to completely control - though again stamping down on inappropriate behavior should happen.

Book signings and publisher meetings seem eaiser - but then the reasons shifts to it's not often so doesn't matter.

It's endless list of reasons why they do not get told no and consquences do not happen till years later when they stop making as much money.

AS PP says it's not the only industry it happens in but strong management who do not turn blind eyes and offer endless excuses and polices that allow reporting to be taken serioulsy do help stop it spreading as accepted practice.

Did I say she made herself ‘available for anal sex’? I didn’t ….and neither did she !!

She made herself available for vaginal sex. He forced the anal sex on her, because HE thought she WAS available ,

Bad and wickedly selfish move on his part.

No victim shaming at all, except the fact that she agreed to go alone to his house and thereby put herself at his mercy.

If you say so !!

YOU and ‘loads of people’ know me well, don’t you, mate ?

He removed the condom, and ignored her cries of pain, and then made her clean up the blood-, semen-, and shit-smeared sheets afterwards. But aside from that he was a perfect gentleman.

While I get where you're coming from and would like it all to go away (my life is coming to an end and I'd rather remember nice stuff), you have to remember that this affected real people and will continue to affect real people until it is made impossible for the perpetrators to continue.

It has been said many times to you on this thread but this is the definition of victim blaming.