Jonathan Ross

This exactly if anything JR was actually protecting lily Allen nothing wrong with that x

Re the Comedy Awards comment which is causing so much angst has it not occurred to anyone that it is actually a jibe / reveal against David Walliams? This show was screened in 2005 ( JR makes reference to it being the 15th year) - long before any rumours really leaked out about his behaviour. By calling out David Walliams preferences albeit in a jokey way JR is actually sending up a red flag - or is that too generous a reading for this thread !

Along with his wife and 10 other people.

Yes, it was a good natured bantery jibe at Walliams. Just what should happen to sex offenders. It shows "they" knew and did nothing.

totally agree. always found Ross creepy (not as much as Brand and Walliams) but he is up there on my radar

Yes, who would have all been aware of his behaviour around teenage girls. I have never said Ross was involved, only that too many people knew and did nothing.

And you know for a FACT that his wife and everyone in that photo knew of his behaviour, do you? Seriously?

Well saw how he was behaving that evening. I don't need to know it as a FACT, to express the opinion that it seems likely they did.

There's middle ground here. I get the sense that some children and teenagers now are not expected to do anything much independently and unsupervised. They have so little life experience that there has to be a risk that they're just not learning essential life skills that many of us acquired in childhood - social skills, character assessment, spotting the early signs that someone else is trouble and backing away. Yes, there were some huge risks in leaving children so much on their own in the past, but the risks in not giving children some independence are also considerable.

But you didn't say LIKELY, did you?

"Yes, who would have all been aware of his behaviour around teenage girls"

That's quite a difference. Legally, in particular.

If going home with a drunk 15 year old girl was seen as disgusting/ dodgy at the time - as it should have been - why is calling out that behaviour in front of DWs peers "good natured and bantery"

Sorry this "on my radar" comment that is becoming compulsory just makes me laugh! Is MN populated by a colony of bats?!

It also used to be OK for young people to take on responsibilities like work, providing for families and taking responsibility for their behaviour but now they're apparently too vulnerable.

I still can’t believe he got away with this after grooming her as a 13-year-old. I remember it well at the time being in the papers but it didn’t seem to have the shock value that it would have today.

He was sacked

He is so gross, a real creep IMO.
The age gap with his wife completely tracks.

Exactly, of course it shouldn't be but that's how it was treated.

So are you saying @Redbags that even if it was a genuine attempt by JR to call out David W it wasn't taken seriously? Which is very different from accusing him of colluding with the bad behaviour.

I'd always had Brand and Walliams down as creeps, Ross I have down as an idiot rather than creep.

I'm saying it likely shows he was aware and if he was he should have reported it properly rather than making it a laughing matter.

I don’t think this is true.

Jane is incredibly accomplished in her own right as a screen writer, film producer and author. She met JR when she was writing for a music magazine. She chose him and they have stayed together apart from a brief separation. And yet you are intent on painting her as a victim just because she was 16 when she met him in his mid 20s. What does this say about attitudes to young women now? Are they all victims who can only go out with a chaperone as in Victorian days?

There is an episode of 2 point 4 children where Jimmy Saviles radio show is mentioned
Jennys line was "i dont want him coming into my bedroom thankyou Obviously meaning over the radio but there was ambiguity there.
Some were using public mediums to sound warnings

No idea what this previous post is supposed to be about. The only thing I know is that Jane Goldman left school at 15 and forged an incredibly successful career for herself and married JR at 18 and hasn't claimed any complaints about being abused, vulnerable or powerless. Believe it or not, there are still women around who manage to do that. The only people I see working in my local shops and restaurants are young migrants who presumably don't feel abused, vulnerable and powerless and can't work. This country would probably collapse without the

Them was my last sentence.