Jonathan Ross

If anyone has genuine evidence in relation to Jonathan Ross, then bring it on. I have no desire to defend him.

His behaviour (together with Brand) to Andrew Sachs has meant I have never watched or listened to him again. Or Brand for that matter. Grim.

Maybe he knew about the predatory behaviour of his mates. Or maybe he didn't. It's entirely possible that they announced it and that he stupidly thought it was a joke that he then played along with. That would suggest that he is a misogynist with bad judgment and a very poor sense of humour. It does not necessarily prove that he knew anything.

It maybe people here are at cross purposes. My point and I think some others is that someone who routinely makes misogynistic jokes, clearly has a view of women as a sexual commodity and denigrates them with what he says and participated in that awful Andrew Sachs call, should not be employed by mainstream media or promoted in the way he has been and continues to be. His friendship with Brand shows the kind of person he is IMHO and undercuts the idea he was always just 'reading a script'. The Lily Allen & Aishling Bea examples are where he is speaking on his own account. I'm not talking about what he knew or didn't know. I'm saying that in my opinion he's not a fit person with those sort of views and unpleasant nasty humor that promotes the idea of women as sexualised commodities to be given mainstream TV hosting roles.

This is the modern acceptable face of Bernard Manning/Benny HIll style jokes about women and its time it was stopped.

Loads of people (including people on another thread about 'Wossy') thinks its perfectly okay she was 16 and he 26 as they are still married. Still not sure how the fact they've stayed together has any bearing on the fact that it was was inapropriate that he got into a relationship with a 16 year old rather than a woman his own age. The idea that a subsequent romantic relationship defends the behaviour somewhat is deeply off. Wouldnt say that about physical abuse. I wonder if the defenders of this behaviour would feel the same if he had dated 4 different 16 year olds and ended up marrying the last one. Or didnt marry any of them and went on to marry someone his own age. What if they married and then had since got divorced?Would that be okay i wonder? Plenty of men managed to get through the 90s and 2000s without saying disgusting stuff on tv about and to women and not marrying teenagers. What else does a man have to do to signal he's a creep! That Aisling Bea interview wasnt that long ago at all!

It wasn't.

Ross always reminds me of the kid at school who stands behind the big bully and taunts others knowing he is safe

Jonathan Ross, like Stephen Fry (also married a child like person when he was much much older - THIRTY YEARS) - both seem to be protected by the BBC. Both fcking disgusting.

But 20 - 30 feels very different from 16 - 26? Its not just the total number of years difference but life stages and development - again, a 20 year old who has been working and supporting themself would be very different from a 20 year old who had only ever lived at home and if you were talking about 76 - 86 things would be very different again.

It's a good job 'trial by social media' isn't an actual thing.

Some of you lot would have innocent men in jail for marrying a 16 year old.

You really think the 47 Ross referring to 22 year old Lily as “sexually attractive" and moving her from 'two of the best known cocksmen of the business" ”so she could go home with her dress still on” was 'doing Lily Allen a favour'?

Or was he being a seedy old perve for laughs?

A perve who then sat there whilst the two men beside him made rape jokes in front of a young woman 25 years his junior.

The many ways people will twist things to excuse the behaviour of grim older men.

And of course, JR started to take off in the 80s when a 30 something man married a 19 year old and we all cheered and called it a royal wedding.

It really wasn't. I'm the same age as her and would have thought he was dodgy as, as would my parents, one of whom worked in a role now called safeguarding.

https://x.com/MirabelTweets1/status/2118635332774285744

'Rik Mayall saw through Stephen Fry & his paedophilia In 1979 Fry wrote the play “Latin!Or Tobacco & Bots” about a pederastic Latin teacher & a 13 yr old pupil. Fry acted in the play at the Edinburgh Fringe playing the part of the paedophile. Fry is v well protected'

Yep no one made Ross blurt out what he did on those prank calls.

That was more extreme. She was 14 when they started dating and he was a lot older than 24. I don't know how he got away with that it definitely sent the wrong message.

Maybe he didn't actually think they were rapists (RB) not noel fielding. People make all sorts of inappropriate jokes fgs.

If you suspect someone of rape you need to have very solid evidence to report to the police/try and limit their career.

Your criticism is fair enough if he knew brand was a rapist/predator but possibly he didn't know.

I always think that when people hold up a long marriage as a success. It might be or it could be that she was unabe to leave or intrall to her "captor"

Jeez - it wasn't normalised! It was very, very unusual.

No one suggesring he should be in jail or even that he's done anyhting illegal, only that his behaviour has been questionable over many years, and it's a surprise to some that he has remained employed.

I suppose he has remained employed as his ratings are good. His audience are part of that.

No, I'm pretty sure it was in the late 20th Century.

No, you absolutely don't need solid evidence. If you have any concerns, especially about the treatment of children, it is your duty to report. You don't need evidence to report it, that's what the subsequent investigation is for.

I'm not getting this to be honest.

The only fans chat came about because Joe Marler was talking about how much money people can make on there and made a joke about putting his feet out there. Jonathan then asked both others, what they would put out there on only fans if they had the choice. Aisling chose to talk about her boobs. I don't think the question was inappropriate, it was just daft chat. She was the one who started the boob chat and she went too far with it.

I'm not sure what asking people what they would put out on only fans, as part of an entertainment chat show is inappropriate.

Am I totally missing something. Correct me if I am wrong. I honestly am not getting it.

Is the age gap itself a problem or the age at which they met?

Stephen Fry's partner was mid-20s when they met, not 16. Tom Daley was 18 when he met his husband who was 18 years older.

Plenty of famous women with partners with the same or even larger age gaps:

Joan Collins is 34 years older than her husband but they've been married 34 years now. Holland Taylor is 32 years older than Sarah Paulson. Cher's current beau is 39 years younger.

Let's not forget Caroline Flack was 32 when she dated 17-year old Harry Styles. Age of consent, yes, but...

Came here to say this. It was very different. I think she might even have been 13 and him 47, and they married the moment she was 'legal'. All the press at the time focussed on her and her being a seductress. Nothing about him being a predator.

Very, very different to 16 and 26 as with Ross and his wife. This was a perfectly normal age gap 40 years ago. My parents were 9 years different in age. I recognise that this is not acceptable to younger generations but it was then.

None of this is to say that I think he is a pleasant man. There is no doubt he can be sleazy and inappropriate. That is not the same as being a rapist. Unfortunately, I fear the culture of sleazy jokes having been acceptable is exactly how Brand got away with with for so long.