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To reflect, post Russell Brand etc., on things I put up with from men but now don't know why

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SoWhatIsItNow · Today 09:53

I'm in my 50s. I always found Russell Brand to be utterly awful but he seemed to be just an extreme end of a whole bunch of awful men with awful behaviour which was, when I was young, taken for granted and laughed off. If you didn't laugh off you 'didn't have a sense of humour' or lost your job.

I remember, for instance, as a student, working in an Italian restaurant in the kitchen with an Irish chef, must have been in his 30s/40s (he seemed ancient to me at the time) and he'd talk to me about 'the smell of pussy' all evening. How long it had been since he'd had the smell of it on his fingers. I had no idea how to reply, I was only 18. I felt totally disgusted by him and I think just kept my back to him and kept on working. I remember trying to tell the restaurant owner and he laughed it off and said something like, 'welcome to working in kitchens.' Then my shifts got cut.

That's just one thing but there have been so many over the years and, even now, sometimes I feel like I'm expected to put up with and shut up about quite a lot of everyday things by the men in my life.

And, maybe more than anything, I'm wondering why I did put up with it and never really either stood up for myself or spoke out.

I'm sure this conversation has been started many times but I'm just feeling quite sad and stirred up by it this morning.

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Inheritancequestion · Today 17:45

so many:
Being called frigid if I said no to a date
Called a lesbian if I said no
Coercive behaviour to enable anal sex

I was also gropped by my male GP when I was 17 I went to him as I had glandular fever and my parents couldn’t come with me - he insisted it was a good time to teach me about my breasts and to take my top off - no man or boy had ever touched me before and he gropped both breasts and touched they and pinched the ends and said they were lovely and pert and nice nipples. I was frozen in fear this was a man my parents respected and who had delivered me as a baby. When the practice moved it was open by him and has a plaque to him as you go in and it makes me cry inside every single time to I walk in and look at it. Who can I tell 30 years later what he did?

Neuronimo · Today 17:51

I was thinking about this. I put up with so much harassment in the 90's and was quite vulnerable as I someone later diagnosed as neurodiverse. So much was overlooked including a whole group of men who took three hour, boozy lunches. I'd dread the 'Handsy banter' when they came back. I'd get more and more uptight, the longer they were out, knowing I'd have to be 'a good sport' and make the coffee when they got back, to help them sober up before the drive home.

On the one occasion I did speak up, the whole department (men and women) sent me to coventry. I was so pleased when I went on maternity leave and was releived never to have to go back. I do wonder if there are som uncomfortable men thinking back on their behaviour, but somehow I doubt it. I still have dreams about having to go back, twenty plus years on.

ClaudettedeBeauvoir · Today 18:04

I'm late 40s. The following all seemed pretty un-noteworthy in the 90s:

Aged 14, my "boyfriend" was 21. I told him I had a pact with my friend that neither of us would have sex until we were 15. He repeatedly would ask me if I wanted to break my pact.

Aged 14 (again) an 18 year old in my village would pull up at my school bus stop and give me a lift home, whilst he'd repeatedly put his hand up my skirt.

Aged 16, my 27 year old boss at my Saturday job would put me on the late rota and then follow me up to the staff changing rooms and walk in on me changing after closing.

Same boss would rub against me in the store rooms, and make comments like "can you check the sell by dates, rotate stock, and when you've finished that sit on my cock".

Aged 17 when I left that job a married man in his 40s wrote "get your tits out for the lads" on my leaving card - everyone could see what he'd written, there was no shame.

Aged 18, at uni, I received a stream of explicit emails from another student. I reported him and was told by the master of our college "sexual matters should never come into the public domain, why are you telling me this?" When I spoke to my mum about it she told me not to take it further and that I should see the emails as flattery.

As an adult I went on to have an extremely abusive relationship from the ages of 22 - 25. But thought that it was within the realms of normal.

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