16 year old stepson's reaction to the Russel Brand sentencing

If you had any understanding of how difficult rape cases even go through to get to court your casual lol and response are frankly disgusting.

Yes a small percentage of women lie but the general assumption is completely wrong. The rape conviction stats speak for themselves.

It's frankly abhorrent to say he's not wrong, he is clearly so wither your a troll or a manosphere maniac!

@Wilderness181 ”If someone consensually has sex with you and then 2 decades later claims part of it was non consensual do you really think that warrants a decade in prison?”

he has been found guilty of anal rape. He also removed the condom without consent.

I am fine with 10 years for rape, would be fine with a life sentence for that actually, but part of the sentence also relates to the sexual assault charges.

if you don’t believe the woman in question, I can’t do anything about that, but I would ask you to consider why someone might put themselves through the trauma of a court case.

The fact that you also think him slightly altering his politics is a threat to the establishment in some way does suggest to me that you haven’t actually read any notes from the court.

Sorry, what used to happen to her?!

This is the same convo I had with my husband but from your daughters perspective. We were young adults in the 2000's - 2010 "lad culture". We got very good at dealing with a lot of this stuff. It doesn't make it any less wrong we are just more exposed to it.

Yes. She didn't consent to anal sex.

That dear is rape. You don't understand consent eh? Neither did Brand, look what happened.... Flipping establishment, left-right nonsense you posted too. You really need to have a good head wobble.

It's the C word you and his father need to emphasise not whether the accused or the victim was lying. The sexual contact wasn't denied by the accused.
it was about consent, and how consent can be withdrawn at anytime, and that no-one can take consent itself for granted unless they are certain that it's been given .
It was the absence of consent that meant rape had been commited, (and unwanted sexual abuse had occurred on the other charges) , and that the jury came to those conclusions on the evidence put before the court which indicated he did not have consent for the offences he was convicted of. He wasn't convicted on every charge due to the lack evidence on the other charges . It doesn't mean he hasn't committed those or other offences, as we will no doubt hear about in the next few months.

Exactly my question and obviously she was not anally raped or anything remotely like that, but I think she more meant the lecturers groping expectation of sex. She suddenly went very vague when I showed my horror at what she said!

@Scottishskifun yes, I think that was more the point she was making, but it doesn’t make it right does it?

I tell you what. on that question I'd trust the judgement of the actual Judge who sat through all the evidence for the entire trial rather than some random rape apologist called Wilderness181 on the internet.

Suggest the boy (and some posters on here) watch this video about consent - produced by police and using the analogy of making someone a cup of tea

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pZwvrxVavnQ&ra=m

I fully get your DD if I actually thought about the number of SA I had experienced inappropriately between "harmless bum pinching, stroking, boob brushing" its really not comfortable. Most of the time (like your DD most likely) would chalk it up to them being a creep. I once raised a SA issue at work and was shot down of you must has misinterpreted I was 26. HR told me you could continue but likely to cause a industry reputation.

Your DD will be the same it's brushed off as actually re-examining it isn't comfortable and it doesn't achieve much. That doesn't mean to sweep it we just didn't call out a lot of it. I'm a few years above your DD as millennial but it's similar. Install her knowing her boundaries now.

You just say he was tried in a court of law and found guilty by a jury. The legal system is innocent until proven guilty and he has been proven guilty. To even get to the point of deciding to prosecute requires a huge deal of evidence, the CPS has to think there is a case.

I don't think it would be pleasant for your daughter to live amongst men and boys who have these views. I'd be very very protective of her and her privacy

This.

I'd be very wary of allowing my 12yo daughter to live with unrelated men and teenage boys. Especially those who spout misogynistic opinions like this. How do you ensure she is safe, OP?

glad you are going to make sure both parents are involved.

I think you ( I mean the adults in his life) also need to have a discussion with him about consent, what it means and how vital it is that he understands it. Maybe a starting point would be the Brand barristers very loose interpretation of what consent is. Don’t forget the cup of tea explanation, which explains consent in a very accessible way.

I don’t understand how people find themselves in these situations. Your stepson has gross misogynistic opinions and you don’t seem to know where your husband might stand on that? Surely knowing basic things like ‘do you harbour sexist opinions/ feelings towards women’ is a pretty key thing to know about someone before you move them in with you and your two daughters??

“I do worry my partner isn't as liberal as I am with his thinking“

Thinking men shouldn’t rape women isn’t what I would call “liberal thinking”

@inthisdayandage27 I'm honestly not sure how to go about this as I am hands off parenting with step kids (thinking they had sensible parents although I do worry my partner isn't as liberal as I am with his thinking).

I don't think "liberal" means what you think it means.

Sounds like daddy needs to do some parenting (and maybe some checking of what he’s looking at online)

You are not his parent, but you are an adult in his life. It is easy to just shut down his opinion and that is my initial reflex, but I think you will get further with him if you actually address what might be his real concerns and fears.

We do live in a world where people need to be mindful about obtaining enthusiastic, continued consent. For an inexperienced 16 year old, what that looks like may not be clear. He might even wonder if he will misjudge a situation and end up in serious trouble one day.

It is the matrix. The era of predators becoming heroes that have been stitched up by the establishment. Crackers the lot of them.
All these scummy men accused have a history of being a filthy creep who has no respect.
I remember as a child hearing men around me excusing Mike Tyson at the time as a victim for money grabbing women. I don’t think it is new, the internet makes it much more intense.

The main problem is you are living with a man you can’t communicate with properly and normally about these kinds of conversations because you don’t think he will have the same views as you? Also that you have your children living in the same house as this waste of space and his son who’s a clone of his dad !!!

Stay off the internet for a while. Andrew, I wasn’t aware that you and your brother got bail? Don’t let your eyes deceive you.

You hope your own son has respect?! You kinda left it?! Can’t you see that this needs sorting? I raised three sons alone and they have incredible respect for women, and will challenge misogyny and not tolerate it on their friendship circles. FGS try some Parenting.

But you are. Pack it in.
OPs stepson is more likely to be raped than have a false accusation made against him. Start there.

I imagine the brother won't be far behind.

I would not want these boys or their father around my DD.