16 year old stepson's reaction to the Russel Brand sentencing

The real problem here is that you don't have confidence in the boy's father to set him straight. So it is perhaps unsurprising that the son is expressing misogynistic views.

Please don't make this his mum's problem to fix. Raise the issue with your H. And if he doesn't understand why it's a problem or seem bothered about tackling it, then reconsider your relationship.

"Well if you think it's made up, then anl rpe which will more than likely happen in prison is a pretty just defense for doing exactly that to a non consenting woman.".

have him read the woman’s account of the rape he has been convicted of and then ask him why she would lie about that.

Why don't you just talk to him about it instead of being emotive about it i.e. shocked or whatever. What makes you think that, son? Why do you say that, son? Then talk common sense into him, calmly, as a mother and not a femi-warrior. The harder you come down on him for his thought/comment, the more likely he will be to reject it as emotive rather than logical. Plus, he's only 16. They say dumb things at this age even when they don't truly agree with what they say.

He's wrong about most women lying, but I'm afraid a very small proportion of women do in fact lie for various reasons.
Revenge, money, to hurt an ex.

This is just the truth and I'm sure most people have examples of it where it's happened to a friend of a friend etc.
I'm not going to pretend it never happens.

So instead of complaining about him on mumsnet why not try having an honest conversation with him about it.

Say, yes it does occasionally happen but more often than not women are telling the truth.
Or do you perhaps not like him much and want to see the worst in him?

His attitude is terrible and needs correcting. But on his response back to you we do see lots of comments on here from women always assuming the worse in a man just because they are a man. That must be difficult for men/boys to cope with and potentially creates a defensiveness. So I think we all have a part to play in listening to the facts and not just assuming the worse in people (in this case your stepson assuming the women are lying)

It does look a bit like his dad might think women lie all the time and you think men lie all the time so the poor bloke doesn’t have a chance really

I'm not saying she lying at all, she has convinced a jury she is not and on balance I think that she is telling the truth but I do think that it's a bit unimaginative to say that reasons as to why she would lie don't exist because clearly they do.

I mean clearly people lie about all sorts of stuff all the time.

Murder or any other crime - would you be saying “people lie all the time “

fucking disgusting

Talk to your partner, boys hearing from other men is more effective.

Also, take a look at the sentencing transcript, you can Google it. It details the crimes thoroughly and is shocking to read.

It's far far, far more likely Brand is lying.

Also, Shappi Korsandhi, a fellow comic has just come out telling info about Brand back in the day.

I thoroughly believe it, Korsandhi asks a brilliant question to Brand of what he thinks consent looks like.

You can't just say it's a load of cobblers because you are a fan of Brand.

16 years think they know everything, ask him a few probing questions about the trial and why he thinks what he does, it will soon come to light he knows nothing and challenge him.

And there are loads of women on here who victim blame too. That make it harder for women to stand up, when they know both sexes think they've made bad thing happen to themselves. I've seen plenty of people twist themselves in knots and pluck nonsense out of thin air purely to blame the OP for many situations.

Anyway, generalisation is never a good thing but I don't think men's hurt feelings is really a justification for blaming women for coming forward and accusing them of lying/doing it for the money.

Yes, and it's the job of the police, the CPS and the jury to decide if lying. Perjury is also a criminal offence, punishable with a spell in prison.

This is so confusing! 😬

You are placing the blame for his poor attitude (and I assume you believe, poor upbringing) plainly with a woman (his mum)……not his own father? Even though the father lives with you.

Yet you seem to suggest that it’s bad that he thinks men shouldn’t be held to account……while you yourself are thinking the man (in your home!) shouldn’t be held to account, and it must be the all woman’s fault??

He might have got some of his weird ideas from you, no? 😬🤦🏼‍♀️

I said this on another thread

Is it worth him reading Prima Facie? Yes, it’s a play but it is based on the lawyer’s experience of what she has seen in the courtroom and changes have been made to the law as a result. It’s still shit but you know… small steps and all that.

By the way, I absolutely agree that his father should be talking to him about this. I am quite saddened that you mentioned his mother in the first place, without saying anything about talking to his dad.

Tell him that he therefore needs to be careful about which women he has sex with.

“And that’s why you should always double-check that any woman is fully consenting. Make sure that everyone is enthusiastically consenting.”

It’s not parenting, though, to do your part in holding back the flood of the mini Andrew Tate/Russell Brand/red pill blue pill brigade. I wouldn’t let a comment like that go unchecked by any 16 year old who said that in my vicinity regardless of their relationship to me, and especially not one who lives in the same house as me and my children. And I wouldn’t appreciate having the conclusion of a rape trial ‘explained’ to me by a 16 year old boy who knows fuck all about fuck all.

To be fair he probably has been stitched up with the rape conviction but not by the woman, it’s the establishment that wanted rid of him.

A groupie pursues him for sex and goes through with it willingly on more than 1 occasion. 15 years later she tells someone in the media who facilitates a police report.

In court she states she said no to a particularly activity whereas Brand claims she said yes.

I of course have no idea what the truth is from that day nearly 20 years ago however to jail someone for over a decade and take him away from his family and children on the basis of that seems extreme.

It later transpires that the testimony that was taken as being entirely factual by the court came from someone with, in the judges own words, “lengthy mental health and addiction problems”.

They wanted rid of him. They were OK when he was the darling of the left wing but as soon as his politics flipped they went for him.

Of course none of that takes away from the fact that people should always respect each other. It just looks extremely questionable at a time where the UK is seeing more and more politically motivated court action.

I read that too, but I don't even know what that means.

I mean hes not wrong is he , and we need to stop pretending that women don't lie about these things for all sorts of reasons , not saying brand is innocent at all but , your ss is not wrong lol

@Wilderness181 ”They wanted rid of him. They were OK when he was the darling of the left wing but as soon as his politics flipped they went for him.”

I can accept that stuff like this happens
But I don’t think that’s what’s happened in this case. How would he have been a threat to anybody? Just because he’s changed his mind about some stuff… and actually he’s still very much on the left.

It's a task for you to talk to your own partner? Why?

I struggle with rhe fact you effectively take issue with your step sons misogyny whilst then laying the responsibility at rhe mothers side and demonstrating your own. This is the father’s job as you now know.

The fact you dint think he will deal with it shows where rhey issue has arisen and you know this deep down.

so don’t be coming over shocked at the son, deal with your own husband.