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To resist 'eviction' by unhinged landlord

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goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:08

*previously posted on Property, but the situation has evolved into an AIBU...

We’re in the middle of building works and have rented temporary accommodation at a neighbour’s flat.

We have an informal agreement done via WhatsApp (I know, I know..). The owner lives in another country. They mentioned they have long covid / memory problems.

We agreed to stay 4-6 weeks, with the caveat that we may need to extend due to the nature of building works. The flexibility was vital to us, and the owner fully understood and was ok with that.

At 4 weeks she tried to kick us out, giving 5 DAYS notice. We pushed back as our place won’t be inhabitable until the 6 week and 2 day mark absolute minimum (when the flooring is laid) - even then, we’ll have no kitchen. She now wants us gone by 6 weeks (2 days too early for us).

It transpires she’s desperate to sell her place (threat of repossession) and thought she could market it whilst we’re here but has decided it’ll be less hassle with us gone.

During our stay she’s caused endless disruptions, including having the place painted (specially fun with our toddler). She stayed for 6 days - claims we are lodgers, though we were not told of this in advance and assumed we’d have exclusive use of the place. She tried to get US to arrange for estate agents to take pictures and viewings of the place (again - no mention of this in advance).

I feel sorry for her as she’s clearly not well in the head but she’s the one who’s dropped us into this mess.

I think the fairest would be to honour the flexibility of our agreement and let us stay until our kitchen is ready - which would be 7-10 days longer than she wants. I don’t see how that would make a huge difference to her sale but would save us a world of pain. AIBU?

(BTW I don’t want to ‘just’ move to an Airbnb - moving, with a toddler, whilst juggling a job, and overseeing building works is a huge headache in itself. And Airbnb’s are 4x the price)

OP posts:
Thenewnewme · 05/11/2023 21:10

You maybe better posting this in legal.

maddening · 05/11/2023 21:11

For 2 days you could just get an air bnb?

Nchanged89 · 05/11/2023 21:13

What can she really do if you stay 2 days longer?
In reality, drag you out of the house?
Change the locks if you are worried about her going into the house, pay up in full and leave the house in a decent state, give her all the keys back.
Or move out.

LittleGreenDragons · 05/11/2023 21:15

I remember you. Yes everyone suggested an Airbnb, not because it was financially cheaper but due to the stress. Why fight something that's going to be over in a couple of weeks anyway? Use that energy elsewhere. Airbnb, cheap motel, go on holiday...just leave, it's so not worth it.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 05/11/2023 21:17

Surely with all the advice you from Shelter etc you now know exactly what your legal rights are?

Why bother posting here.

But you are buying.

margotrose · 05/11/2023 21:18

Just go and stay in a cheap hotel for two nights.

Reddishraddish · 05/11/2023 21:20

unfortunately you are lodgers, so only entitled to the week's notice are you going to be long term neighbours? If so I would move into an airBnB asap, to keep the peace

goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:26

We have a lot of our possessions at this rental, so it would be a huge hassle to move, and then move again. We want to stay 7-10 days longer than she wants (not just 2 days longer). Airbnb's and hotels are too expensive, and I need to be close to the building works.

OP posts:
margotrose · 05/11/2023 21:27

goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:26

We have a lot of our possessions at this rental, so it would be a huge hassle to move, and then move again. We want to stay 7-10 days longer than she wants (not just 2 days longer). Airbnb's and hotels are too expensive, and I need to be close to the building works.

Unfortunately that's just life when you have renovations going on.

It's not her job to house you.

ChateauMargaux · 05/11/2023 21:29

You have an informal agreement.... over whatapp..

hey there neighbour.. I got your number from Mary at number 5.. can we stay in your house for 4 weeks.. might be 6 weeks..

Sure.. why not..

btw.. I will be popping home for a few days.. hope that's ok.. there is room for all of us.

And.. I have decided to sell the house.. what with my health and all.. it's become really stressful. Would you mind leaving after 4 weeks? No?.. OK.. Would you help out with the estate agents? No. OK.

Our agreement ends on Xth Month. I am sorry this doesn't work for you but having ypu stay any longer doesn't work for me.

You are being unreasonable... you were offered a short term rental without an agreement.. you need to leave.

goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:29

Reddishraddish · 05/11/2023 21:20

unfortunately you are lodgers, so only entitled to the week's notice are you going to be long term neighbours? If so I would move into an airBnB asap, to keep the peace

She's selling and moving to another country, so no risk of bumping into her again! I thought the notice period is related to the frequency of payments? We weren't given any payment terms so I sent payments every 2-3 weeks.

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VeniVidiWeeWee · 05/11/2023 21:33

goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:29

She's selling and moving to another country, so no risk of bumping into her again! I thought the notice period is related to the frequency of payments? We weren't given any payment terms so I sent payments every 2-3 weeks.

So what advice did the various agencies that were suggested you contact give?

MigGirl · 05/11/2023 21:38

To be honest I don't thinknyou can stay passed the 6weeks 2days. If your place is then habbital (even without a kitchen, I had no kitchen for a week when DD was 1 year old, it was doable) you need to move out. Let her have the estate againt in for photos. It's not a big hassle and will help her out.

You do seem to be being a bit difficult.

goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:41

VeniVidiWeeWee · 05/11/2023 21:33

So what advice did the various agencies that were suggested you contact give?

Both Shelter and the council said that although our agreement is unusual it has all the markers of an Assured Short Hold Tenancy, so we we could stay put. But if they're wrong (as some on here have said they can get it wrong) and we're classed as lodgers it seems more vague - 'reasonable' notice needs to be given. We're both in a really tricky position which could have been avoided if she had been transparent from the start. We would have stayed elsewhere.

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Theunamedcat · 05/11/2023 21:44

Appeal to her better nature? Tell her it's two days we will pay till the end of the week and help with estate agents

goodnightspoons · 05/11/2023 21:45

MigGirl · 05/11/2023 21:38

To be honest I don't thinknyou can stay passed the 6weeks 2days. If your place is then habbital (even without a kitchen, I had no kitchen for a week when DD was 1 year old, it was doable) you need to move out. Let her have the estate againt in for photos. It's not a big hassle and will help her out.

You do seem to be being a bit difficult.

Yes, I have to say I'm leaning to the 6 weeks and 2 days, it's just so SO annoying. Maybe I'm digging my heals in as she's never once acknowledged the disruption caused, and can't even pick up the phone to explain what's going on and treat us like actual humans. It's infuriating. But hey, first world problems...

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TheJubileePortrait · 05/11/2023 21:48

Yes YABU. It’s not your property. It doesn’t matter how much crap you have in her house or how difficult it would be to move. That’s not her problem.

VeniVidiWeeWee · 05/11/2023 21:50

@goodnightspoons

And the disruption you're causing to her?

Heronwatcher · 05/11/2023 21:51

God just go and stay in a hotel or something or camp out in a few rooms of your new house and get take aways. I’m not sure what you were expecting but it’s not a long time and this is sort of the danger with such an informal arrangement. You’ll have to pack your stuff up anyway so what’s the difference if you stick it in a storage unit or a garage for a few days? And if she really is unhinged surely you’re better off out of it.

Pocketfullofdogtreats · 05/11/2023 21:57

Can you get your building work finished earlier? Get more people on site?

LIZS · 05/11/2023 22:03

Is it just the kitchen works left? Could you move back and use a living room with microwave/takeaways/eating out for last few days?

Wonderously · 05/11/2023 22:08

move most your stuff back to your own property and live out of a suitcase in an airbnb for a couple of weeks. Just like you would on holiday. She clearly needs to get on with house selling and a couple of weeks will make a big difference to her.

HamBone · 05/11/2023 22:46

Honestly, I’d move into your house at six weeks on the date she’s requested and be done with this crazy situation.

We were already living in our house with young children when our kitchen was redone. We used a microwave and a two-ring hot plate to cook simple meals in our bedroom. We washed up in the bath (in a washing up bowl, of course:-) Yes, it was a pain, but perfectly doeable.

PussyGalore1 · 05/11/2023 22:49

OP you are being an absolute massive CF. Just move your stuff back into your own house.

lottiegarbanzo · 05/11/2023 22:57

It's her flat. You're being awkward and making her life difficult.

She has no obligation to make your life easy. She's let have the flat informally for a while, as agreed, which was really helpful to you. Now she wants it back. Give it back. You sound like you're proposing to squat there - and as if you think you have some sort of 'right' to do this, based on 'because I want to!!!'.

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