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Am I white Irish?

243 replies

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 21:12

Parents are from Ireland, have the accent, moved when they were late twenties.

i was born in England. Have an Irish passport. Live in England.

can I consider myself white Irish?

it’s for diversity monitoring.

OP posts:
PinkPrettyAndPointed · 02/12/2022 00:11

EarringsandLipstick · 01/12/2022 21:59

She's not Irish!

@EarringsandLipstick of course she is! And you sound like an absolute tit correcting a parent on their own child's nationality ffs.

If your parent is an Irish citizen born in Ireland, you are automatically considered Irish by birth. Unlike Australia where you have to apply for citizenship by descent if you're born outside of Australia to an Australian parent.

amitoooldforthisshit · 02/12/2022 00:12

are you in the north? (6 counties that is)

UCUNoMore · 02/12/2022 00:19

To be British you have to be born in Britain with at least One British parent. So technically…

no, you are also British if you are born in Britain with an Irish parent who is living in the U.K. (other parent doesn’t have to be British)

UCUNoMore · 02/12/2022 00:19

Born in the U.K. I should have said

Cornelious · 02/12/2022 00:27

I'm Irish. My dc was born in England. My dh is English . My dc has only ever had an Irish passport. We now live in NI. My dc thinks they're half Irish/ half English- but mostly Irish now became she's imbedded in culture.

Cornelious · 02/12/2022 00:28

Heyahun
My husband and I are Irish and out daughter was born here in the uk -even though she’s born her i would not call her British - she’s Irish.

in fact I’m not even sure she can have a British passport or not seeing as neither parent is a British citizen? (I may well be wrong as haven’t looked into it properly - just got be Irish Pasport.)

She's not Irish!

.^^
How is the child not Irish??

CatsandDogs22 · 02/12/2022 00:36

Apologies if someone already said this, I didn’t make it through all 8 pages of comments…

You could go the American route and call yourself Irish-British. Mind you, as far as I can tell if just 1 of your great grandparents were born in Ireland you could do that…

CatsandDogs22 · 02/12/2022 00:36

Gah posted to soon

In America that is

alwayscrashinginthesamecar1 · 02/12/2022 00:41

I'm Northern Irish, so can claim British or Irish nationality. My son was born in London though, so he was born British (although he is Australian now). So I'd call you British, but you can call yourself whatever you like. And if you can get an Irish passport, even better!

Cailleach1 · 02/12/2022 00:46

JaneJeffer · 01/12/2022 22:34

Are you any good at football @SmallNuts?

Mightn't help. Harry Kane's paternal grandparents are from the west of Ireland. I think his dad was born there, but grew up in England (might be wrong on that).

Jewel1968 · 02/12/2022 00:49

I think it's up to you. I was born and grew up in Ireland. Left at 19. I kinda think my cousins with their Irish parents born in England are more connected to Ireland than me. Their parents were and are great storytellers so passed on the cultural aspects of being Irish. They are a close-knit family. Whereas my connection to the homeland was considerably weakened.

BadNomad · 02/12/2022 00:49

Call yourself whatever you want, but it's shitty to claim to be Irish just for the purpose of getting a job.

SmallNuts · 02/12/2022 00:50

BadNomad · 02/12/2022 00:49

Call yourself whatever you want, but it's shitty to claim to be Irish just for the purpose of getting a job.

It’s what they are asking of me…. Their definition.

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Doodadoo · 02/12/2022 00:55

CatsandDogs22 · 02/12/2022 00:36

Apologies if someone already said this, I didn’t make it through all 8 pages of comments…

You could go the American route and call yourself Irish-British. Mind you, as far as I can tell if just 1 of your great grandparents were born in Ireland you could do that…

You need to be specific about what generation of Irish English you are though. 5th generation? 1st generation?

Orders76 · 02/12/2022 00:56

It's probably on the form due to colonial recognition. Irish of any decent are typically not treated the same as English. Therefore even for English born Irish people, they are probably still feeling something othering.
V complicated.

Doodadoo · 02/12/2022 00:57

SmallNuts · 02/12/2022 00:50

It’s what they are asking of me…. Their definition.

If you have to question, I would suggest that you're not Irish. When you're Irish, you just know....

Cailleach1 · 02/12/2022 00:59

Does Spain allow children born there to claim Spanish nationality? If that was the case, wouldn't one of the Beckham lads be Spanish?

I think Irish people are deemed to be 'settled' or some such, when residing in the UK. This means that when Irish people have offspring, their children are entitled therefore to claim British nationality. This does not apply to all foreign nationals who have their kiddiwinks on British soil.

I know some European nationals whose child was born in the UK (and lived there until 16 years of age), and the child cannot claim British nationality. They retain the nationality of the country of their parents.

BadNomad · 02/12/2022 00:59

SmallNuts · 02/12/2022 00:50

It’s what they are asking of me…. Their definition.

Have you called yourself Irish every other time you've had to answer this question? This won't be the first time you've had to answer it. It's on everything. If you normally pick "white British" then you would be wrong to pick "white Irish" this time for the purpose of getting an advantage over others.

BadNomad · 02/12/2022 01:04

Does Spain allow children born there to claim Spanish nationality? If that was the case, wouldn't one of the Beckham lads be Spanish?

The OP was neither born in Ireland nor raised there. Now, if she'd been born in England to Irish parents then raised in Ireland, she would be seen as Irish. Which is what you are getting at with the Beckham kid.

SmallNuts · 02/12/2022 01:36

BadNomad · 02/12/2022 00:59

Have you called yourself Irish every other time you've had to answer this question? This won't be the first time you've had to answer it. It's on everything. If you normally pick "white British" then you would be wrong to pick "white Irish" this time for the purpose of getting an advantage over others.

I’m not using it for my advantage. I’m already guaranteed via my disability.

It’s something I’ve come across before. And for medical reasons I answer white Irish. My whole family appear to have lived in Ireland and are “white” skin….

i wouldn’t consider Irish a minority population, but really they are. Note how I say they. Am I really different than a uk first born child of polish persons or an Asian person? My name is somewhat English so unless I told people, they wouldn’t know.

I didn’t want to touch on the sore topic of those in the north considering themselves British.

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SmallNuts · 02/12/2022 01:37

BadNomad · 02/12/2022 00:59

Have you called yourself Irish every other time you've had to answer this question? This won't be the first time you've had to answer it. It's on everything. If you normally pick "white British" then you would be wrong to pick "white Irish" this time for the purpose of getting an advantage over others.

“It’s on everything”. Like what? I’ve not changed anything medically for many decades…. How else would it be measured?

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IDontWantToBeAPie · 02/12/2022 01:58

Yes obvs.

I'm English.my parents are English. I have a Scottish great grandmother but I'm not Scottish bc I don't know the culture.

You're Irish-English. You feel English but your close heritage is Irish.

notsosoftanymore · 02/12/2022 02:23

As this page makes clear, if you have an Irish parent but were born outside of Ireland, you are automatically an Irish citizen.

^www.citizensinformation.ie/en/moving_country/irish_citizenship/irish_citizenship_through_birth_or_descent.html^
3. Born outside Ireland to an Irish parent
If you were born outside of Ireland, you are automatically an Irish citizen by birth if either one of your parents was born in Ireland and was entitled to Irish citizenship.

However, as the page also makes clear, the constitution was changed in 2004 and citizenship is now more complicated. Britain's dabbling in Ireland from 1801 onwards meant that famine and mismanagement caused famine and mass emigration and citizenship was offered to anyone with a Irish parent because economic conditions basically meant that people were forced to emigrate and lost Irish citizenship for their children. Huge numbers of people in the US and Australia/New Zealand have Irish heritage because of emigration.

OP you are white Irish.

notsosoftanymore · 02/12/2022 02:28

A bit of a p.s., I said 1801 because that was the date of the Act of Union, basically the Brits doing what Putin is doing in an age when they could. Of course, Britain had dabbled in England from the 13th century onwards and especially in the 16th and 17th centuries.

xJ0y · 02/12/2022 07:10

When i was in the uk, I just ticked white. I didnt see the purpose of the other box but I guess it's for the purpose of statistics, not to give anybody an identity crisis!