Am I white Irish?

I dare you to repeat that on one of the gender/trans threads 😂

I’m entitled to an Irish passport and grew up in a Manchester Irish culture - and in an environment where I remember my parents saying “so and so doesn’t like Irish/Catholics”. It does bug me that forms don’t allow you to tick mixed Irish/British heritage/identity. I tick the British one as it’s strictly closer but it doesn’t feel quite right.

I hate these arguments. I was born in England to Irish parents and we all moved back to Ireland when I was 16.

So I was brought up in England and have an English accent, but I basically have no connection with England at all. I've never had a British passport, I've never lived there as an adult. All my family are in Ireland.

But because I was born in England and have the accent I'll never be accepted as Irish. But I'm not really English either, it's just a place I lived in when I was a child.

This is my dh. Both parents Irish (Cavan and Tyrone) moved here separately in their teens, met and married. All children born and raised here. Dh doesn't have an accent but has an Irish passport and identifies as British much to the annoyance of his dad. Upbringing very Irish, all their friends were Irish, raised Catholic (culturally rather than overly religiously) learned Irish dancing and accordion as kids down the Irish centre etc.
I was born here. Our kids have British passports but only because I said if he wanted them to have Irish ones he'd have to do it.
We go to Ireland twice a year to visit his dad who has moved back over.

"have the accent" 🤣

Were you fed flat 7up or Lucozade as a kid?
Do you know what red lemonade is?
Do you support Ireland, say in rugby?
Do you follow the Gaa?
Do you know how to have the craic?
Do you know where the press is, or the hot press for that matter?
Did you ever forget to put the immersion on?
When you're getting the messages, do you know what a half pan is?
Did you ever get the shift?
Do you know what a Guard is?
Did you ever put the dinner in the ding?
Floury spuds?

Answer yes = Irish

British / English / Irish / Northern Irish - it's your choice Op so pick whichever you identify with best.

Some of these are Scottish too!

I'd consider you British. What do you want to be?

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If you are born and raised in England then why would you say white Irish? Have you lived in Ireland? If so fair enough but if not then I'd say white British.

It's all based on climate, rivers, mountains and hemisphere and distance from the sun after all. And evolution.

Rivers, seas and Mountains create geographical boundaries that tend to demarcate human boundaries such as nation, religion, culture.

The position of a geographical place in relation to the Equator and the Sun affects skin pigmentation, eg darker skin tones nearer to the Sun and lighter further towards the Poles.

Hemisphere is relative because more land mass, population and economic activity is found north of the Equator.

As more and more people move Ooop North (of the Equator) over time (centuries) humanity will evolve and adapt to their natural climactic environments.

Skin-tones will darken in the North for a few hundred years as all the races mix but unless the Earth moves its Axis, eventually the skin tones will lighten. Now personally I care not at all what skin colour anyone has.

But give such matters a thought, Darwinist though they might be. It's already writ that most Religions have no thought-space for natural evolution so I'll just leave it there.

Nationality - British
Ethnicity - Irish

@OutFortheBirds

Stage One, Book 1

Mammy is in the kitchen.
Ann and Barry are in the kitchen too. They like helping Mammy.

Daddy is outside. He is cleaning his car.

@legalseagull You're British though if you were born here aren't you?

If a child is born in a barn, does it make them a pig?

I would say - yes you can consider yourself white Irish.

Same as you (Irish parents, had brother there, moved here, had me here). I consider myself Irish. A lot of people don't, but that's how I feel.

Did you ever get the shift 😂

Your nationality is British, and your ethnic origin is Irish. But you are automatically also classed as an Irish citizen as you have an Irish born parent.

For the statistics for the charity I work for we enter ethnicity and nationality so would tick 'white Irish' then 'British'.

You're an Irish citizen, so I would say yes white Irish is fine

What? So non whites can’t be British? This thread is fucking nuts and quite offensive

If the question asks for ethnicity, then yours is Irish.

Nationality is about passports, though there is a quirk wrt NI in that people born in NU can hold either a British or an Irish passport (or both) and can identify as either British or Irish yet still be counted as British for purposes of Official Secrets and such.

I really don't think you can consider yourself Irish if you weren't brought up there.

But she's an Irish citizen by default isn't she?

Well, my DP is Black. British passport. Both parents born in Nigeria and moved to the UK which is where he was born. He considers himself Black British. His heritage is Nigerian, but his nationally, where he was born and raised, is British.

My grandparents are both Irish. My mum was born and raised in England. She considers herself White British.

My best friend is Asian. Her parents both born in Pakistan. She was born and raised in the UK. She identifies as Asian British.

They don’t tick a box claiming to be a national of a country they’ve never lived in.

This thread is fucking nuts and quite offensive

Yes, I think this thread is intended as a pisstake.