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Am I white Irish?

243 replies

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 21:12

Parents are from Ireland, have the accent, moved when they were late twenties.

i was born in England. Have an Irish passport. Live in England.

can I consider myself white Irish?

it’s for diversity monitoring.

OP posts:
Dreamsoffreedomjoyandpeace · 01/12/2022 22:30

Appleandoranges · 01/12/2022 21:57

So if your parents were white Irish, you would be white Irish. What about if your grandparents were white Irish but you were born in England and your parents were too. How long does the Irishness last in terms of ethnicity?

You’d still be considered an Irish citizen.

If it’s a great grandparent, you’re only an Irish citizen if your parent applied for citizenship before your birth. I’m not sure if this continues forever, as long as the parent has citizenship.

StarboysMum · 01/12/2022 22:31

Ethnically I classify myself as White Other. My father is Eastern European origin, born outside Europe.

My nationality is British.

I identify as European.

Interesting about the guaranteed interview. I don't consider myself disadvantaged by my ethnicity so I'd feel a bit uncomfortable about that.

Hont1986 · 01/12/2022 22:31

I would consider you British, sorry. But good for you about the EU passport.

TellingBone · 01/12/2022 22:32

Two different things, nationality and ethnicity.

I'd describe you as having dual nationality because you qualify for a passport for two nations.

We can't really define our ethnicity by just our parents can we? And certainly not by place of birth. As described by a PP, they had ethnic roots they didn't know about. Impossible to say exactly without a DNA test. These questions are meaningless imho. We are all potentially mixed race.

Canthave2manycats · 01/12/2022 22:32

If you are from Northern Ireland, you can choose to be British or Irish. I've always held a British passport but post-Brexit, I am going to apply for an Irish passport. I would like the option to be Northern Irish.

Cuppsoupmonster · 01/12/2022 22:33

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 21:37

would you consider an Asian person the same? Parents are say Thai, you would call them British (the child)?

Are you saying non whites aren’t English/British?! Confused

Non white people that I know who were born and raised here usually say ‘I’m British with Indian heritage’ or whatever, not ‘I’m Indian’. Or just ‘I’m British’ 🤷🏼‍♀️

Whalesong · 01/12/2022 22:34

For those questions it means where you're ethnically from. It's often used to analyse patterns of various illnesses etc.
My children were born here and are British by birth but have no British genetic material as their Dad is Irish and I'm "white, other". They usually put both of these if possible, otherwise either one of them.

JaneJeffer · 01/12/2022 22:34

Are you any good at football @SmallNuts?

girlmom21 · 01/12/2022 22:35

Non white people that I know who were born and raised here usually say ‘I’m British with Indian heritage’ or whatever, not ‘I’m Indian’. Or just ‘I’m British’ 🤷🏼‍♀️

I know quite a few Asian people who would say they're Pakistani or Indian rather than British, even if they're born in England to parents with British citizenship

LiveIngSun · 01/12/2022 22:36

If you ask an Irish person- you’re probably British
If you ask a British person- you’re probably Irish
😜

Whalesong · 01/12/2022 22:37

Hit "send" too soon. As someone said above, nationality is an entirely different thing, and if that's what's asked about my children would answer that they're British (or that they have triple citizenship but in the UK it's usually easiest just to go with British, for school trips etc).
Two entirely different questions though.

FetlocksBlowingInTheWind · 01/12/2022 22:39

How about, one European parent, one English, born in UK.
White British?

I've often wondered but that's what I always put.

TheHateIsNotGood · 01/12/2022 22:39

I'm a mongrel british aviation brat - I claim nowhere as home and any roots laid are just experience. To find a degree of acceptance anywhere is difficult with nothing but the clouds and faraway lands to descibe where I come from. Not to mention my 'itchy feet' always twitching to find new ground to walk on, poor feet with nowhere to go.

So I'm really not bothered with anyone's skin-tone, the church they go to or where they were born - the only thing I judge is how you are as a member of the human race, to which we all belong.

CarefreeMe · 01/12/2022 22:39

it actually very much DOES matter to the U.K. government - you wouldn’t be a U.K. citizen, you’d be Mexican living in the U.K…with your Mexican parents.

Incorrect.

You do not need to have British parents to be considered British.

Hont1986 · 01/12/2022 22:39

If you ask an Irish person- you’re probably British
If you ask a British person- you’re probably Irish

I think most British and Irish people would consider her British to be honest.

You see this most often with the 'plastic Paddy' Americans. Granted their connection is usually further back, but at the end of the day it boils down to 'were you born and raised there?'.

Cuppsoupmonster · 01/12/2022 22:39

Interestingly it always seems to be Irish heritage that people cotton on to, one Irish grandparent or something and people consider themselves Irish!

Whalesong · 01/12/2022 22:40

Cuppsoupmonster · 01/12/2022 22:33

Are you saying non whites aren’t English/British?! Confused

Non white people that I know who were born and raised here usually say ‘I’m British with Indian heritage’ or whatever, not ‘I’m Indian’. Or just ‘I’m British’ 🤷🏼‍♀️

Of course they're English / British when it comes to nationality. But when it comes to ethnicity for statistical purposes (used to monitor illnesses in certain populations, discrimination and many other topics) they would be "Asian" or whatever. These surveys are anonymous and don't put a label on the individual - they're just used for statistics.

MMBaranova · 01/12/2022 22:40

If you can fit more than one box and only one is allowed, just choose whichever you feel happiest with in the situation.

I'm fond of Other.

TiptoeThroughTheToadstools · 01/12/2022 22:42

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 21:16

But where are you REALLY from, OP?

Jokes. Yes, you’re White Irish.

😂😂😂

Whalesong · 01/12/2022 22:43

FetlocksBlowingInTheWind · 01/12/2022 22:39

How about, one European parent, one English, born in UK.
White British?

I've often wondered but that's what I always put.

With one English parent I'd probably put that too. But with one Irish, one other European, British from birth, we always put "white Irish/white other" where possible. Never, ever "white British" as that's not ethnically true in their case. They DO always put their nationality down as British when asked about that on forms in the UK (if the form allows we of course also put down their other two).

IceandIndigo · 01/12/2022 22:44

If this is for diversity monitoring purposes I suspect it won’t make one bit of difference whether you put White British or White Irish. All the ‘White’ sub-categories will be combined in any analysis anyway. But the point of the question is that it’s about how you identify, there isn’t really a wrong answer If you identify as Irish rather than British, by all means put that.

Appleandoranges · 01/12/2022 22:45

Nationality is what your passport is so it's normally very straightforward. Ethnicity is not always straightforward. If you have Irish/European heritage (and are white) you can choose to be or pass as white British, which you can't if you have dark skin. That does not necessarily mean you won't face discrimination e.g. Jews! /Eastern Europeans. If you have brown/black skin you will never identify as white British. But skin colour isn't always a great indicator of heritage and ethnicity and that's something people don't realise. You can be white with one black/Asian parent. OR have brown skin with one white British parent. Or be white and not feel British. And have brown skin and feel very British.

LonginesPrime · 01/12/2022 22:53

It’s for diversity monitoring.

if you aren’t white British you are guaranteed an interview (if you meet the criteria).

Before I saw this part, OP, I was going to say that you should list both nationalities if it asks for them, but that you can just choose the ethnicity you feel best describes you personally without needing anyone else's permission or blessing.

But now it appears that the purpose of the question is to ensure people who aren't white British get a fair shot in the selection process, it seems disingenuous to effectively conceal the fact you're white British (as well as being Irish) by only stating the Irish part.

You have the privilege of being able to flit between nationalities and cultural identities depending on what's most beneficial to you at any given moment, and this guaranteed interview scheme sounds like it's designed precisely to level the playing field for those non-white British people who don't benefit from the luxury of being able to slip in and out of being white British whenever it suits them.

IceandIndigo · 01/12/2022 22:55

Calmdown14 · 01/12/2022 22:22

So a white person born to Irish parents is definitely still Irish but a black person born to Carribbean parents is definitely British? Many of these answers are the opposite of the other threads today.

I'm part English but my kids are born and raised in Scotland. I'd expect they will tick Scottish as their option in the future. Going back further gives too many options!

There are usually Black British options on these forms as well aren't there?

A Black person born in the UK to parents from the Caribbean would have the choice whether to identify as Black British or Black Caribbean on a diversity monitoring form. The point is that no one else gets to tell you how you should identify.

Doodadoo · 01/12/2022 22:55

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 22:23

It’s for diversity monitoring.

if you aren’t white British you are guaranteed an interview (if you meet the criteria).

It wouldn't be hard to outshine the Brits. Minority or not.