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Am I white Irish?

243 replies

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 21:12

Parents are from Ireland, have the accent, moved when they were late twenties.

i was born in England. Have an Irish passport. Live in England.

can I consider myself white Irish?

it’s for diversity monitoring.

OP posts:
EarringsandLipstick · 01/12/2022 22:10

Henuinequest · 01/12/2022 22:06

It’s not like in the USA where any child born in the US is an American citizen. Our rules are different.

But there are many ways someone born in the UK does have citizenship, even when their parents are not British.

If your parents were not British, Irish, EU or EEA citizens when you were born
You’re a British citizen automatically if when you were born at least one of your parents was living in the UK and had any of the following:
• indefinite leave to remain (ILR)
• right to re-admission
• right of abode

Cherryblossoms85 · 01/12/2022 22:11

I refuse to answer those stupid boxes any more.

FastnetLundyRockall · 01/12/2022 22:12

I have both passports too, one Irish and one British parent of Irish ancestry. Although I'm culturally English in most ways I always put white Irish on the diversity forms. Its my ethnic origin (and obvious from my name) and if I was forced to only have one passport or nationality it would be Irish.

LyndaLaHughes · 01/12/2022 22:12

I was born in England to Irish parents. Brought up in a very Irish area in London and have large family in Ireland still. I have an Irish passport and so do my children. I consider myself Irish. I always tick the white Irish box. I did look it up and check and it is correct to do so as my ethnicity is White Irish as far as I'm
concerned. It about what you identify as.

Ethnicity: Your ethnicity refers to your background heritage, culture, religion, ancestry or sometimes the country where you were born.

LyndaLaHughes · 01/12/2022 22:13

My husband is Irish by birth- hence my children being eligible for Irish passports.

Ytterbium · 01/12/2022 22:14

Squeezita · 01/12/2022 21:16

But where are you REALLY from, OP?

Jokes. Yes, you’re White Irish.

After seeing a lot of your posts today in various threads. What makes you think you can have such definitive opinion on what a white woman can be?

OutFortheBirds · 01/12/2022 22:14

@SmallNuts, are we talking Nationality or Ethnicity here?
Nationality - you were born in UK and are a naturalised citizen, so I’d say British.
Ethnicity - White Irish. No dispute. You’re nothing else.

LadyEggs · 01/12/2022 22:15

Being Irish is really popular in the States, and elsewhere. Even if the only Irish-born relative was generations ago people are exceptionally proud to state their heritage. There seems to be a lot of respect for Ireland and its people around the world (or am I wrong?).

dancingqueen123 · 01/12/2022 22:15

BrennieGirl · 01/12/2022 21:22

If you were born and raised in the UK then I'd say you are British.

You can say whatever you like!

CloudPop · 01/12/2022 22:15

Lucky you - get that EU passport bagged ASAP

x2boys · 01/12/2022 22:17

Henuinequest · 01/12/2022 21:59

To be British you have to be born in Britain with at least One British parent. So technically…
still, you’re a dual national if you have an Irish and British passport - you can choose which to put down as suits tou

So my friend and her Dh are both from Cameroon, but had their three children in England ,I thought that made the kids English/British does it not?

TreadSoftlyOnMyDreams · 01/12/2022 22:21

But who do you identify as? <tongue in cheek)

I'm Irish, DH is British. The kids go down as either depending on my humour. They have U.K. passports but qualify for Irish.

if I asked them, they’d identify as British for sure.

Ask yourself, who do I support in the rugby? 😂

Appleandoranges · 01/12/2022 22:21

The thing is this shows that if you are white you get the choice of ticking white British or white Irish. But if you are black or Asian, the only thing you can tick is black British or British Asian. In a mixed family, you could easily have siblings one who can tick white British and the other who would have to tick black British, but they would have the same heritage. I also find it strange that in US, Hispanics aren't counted as white when they are actually white/ just more tanned/more olive than Northern Europeans. Ethnicity rarely makes sense.

Calmdown14 · 01/12/2022 22:22

So a white person born to Irish parents is definitely still Irish but a black person born to Carribbean parents is definitely British? Many of these answers are the opposite of the other threads today.

I'm part English but my kids are born and raised in Scotland. I'd expect they will tick Scottish as their option in the future. Going back further gives too many options!

There are usually Black British options on these forms as well aren't there?

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 22:22

Appleandoranges · 01/12/2022 22:21

The thing is this shows that if you are white you get the choice of ticking white British or white Irish. But if you are black or Asian, the only thing you can tick is black British or British Asian. In a mixed family, you could easily have siblings one who can tick white British and the other who would have to tick black British, but they would have the same heritage. I also find it strange that in US, Hispanics aren't counted as white when they are actually white/ just more tanned/more olive than Northern Europeans. Ethnicity rarely makes sense.

Yep I think that’s what I’m getting at.

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girlmom21 · 01/12/2022 22:23

Calmdown14 · 01/12/2022 22:22

So a white person born to Irish parents is definitely still Irish but a black person born to Carribbean parents is definitely British? Many of these answers are the opposite of the other threads today.

I'm part English but my kids are born and raised in Scotland. I'd expect they will tick Scottish as their option in the future. Going back further gives too many options!

There are usually Black British options on these forms as well aren't there?

You said yourself - your children will probably choose Scottish.

They might not.

It's down to the individual.

SmallNuts · 01/12/2022 22:23

Calmdown14 · 01/12/2022 22:22

So a white person born to Irish parents is definitely still Irish but a black person born to Carribbean parents is definitely British? Many of these answers are the opposite of the other threads today.

I'm part English but my kids are born and raised in Scotland. I'd expect they will tick Scottish as their option in the future. Going back further gives too many options!

There are usually Black British options on these forms as well aren't there?

It’s for diversity monitoring.

if you aren’t white British you are guaranteed an interview (if you meet the criteria).

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TheHateIsNotGood · 01/12/2022 22:25

When all this state your race, religion, gender etc stuff first started (think it was 1990s) I'd opt for 'Prefer Not to Say' because it truly represented my preferences for not using the where from/culture/skin-colour/church/whatever as the basis of how I viewed any person. Still do.

But then I relaxed my principles and duly filled in the forms coz it's for Statistics innit. Think I'll go back to Prefer Not To Say as it most represents my principal principle of seeing people as people.

Calmdown14 · 01/12/2022 22:26

I fill these out in Scotland regularly and you get white Scottish, white Welsh, white Irish or white British. Not white English as an option.

The categories don't make a lot of sense. They could just ask country of birth and country/ies of origin

inspiration101 · 01/12/2022 22:26

definitely your Irish, I have Irish parents and I was born in England and I class myself as Irish. and if anyone asked me where I’m from and where I’m really really from I proudly tell them Ireland and the counties of origin of my parents.

FancyFanny · 01/12/2022 22:27

Well, in your circumstances you could insist you are British if you choose and be mortally offended and traumatised at anyone who questions your heritage.

You probably have dual nationality as being born in Britain makes you British but seeing as you have an Irish passport you must also be an Irish National.

EarringsandLipstick · 01/12/2022 22:27

inspiration101 · 01/12/2022 22:26

definitely your Irish, I have Irish parents and I was born in England and I class myself as Irish. and if anyone asked me where I’m from and where I’m really really from I proudly tell them Ireland and the counties of origin of my parents.

Sorry, you're not from Ireland, whatever about your ethnicity

Factually, that's incorrect.

Cuppsoupmonster · 01/12/2022 22:29

You’re English/British. Born in England and have lived here your whole life. Technically you could claim either though.

Costadelot · 01/12/2022 22:30

It is very much about your heritage and what you perceive yourself to be. I asked this question a lot as a housing officer. I've had full siblings say completely different things than each other. It's not set in stone, just as race or even countries aren't. (Anyone Yugoslavian? )Lots of people identifying as Persian and Kurdish. They are neither races not countries.
My favourite was the horror on the face of a liberal white South African who had just arrived after 20 years in Capetown. She thought I was giving her options of who she would live near 😁. "Ill live by anyone" she proclaimed!

Cuppsoupmonster · 01/12/2022 22:30

inspiration101 · 01/12/2022 22:26

definitely your Irish, I have Irish parents and I was born in England and I class myself as Irish. and if anyone asked me where I’m from and where I’m really really from I proudly tell them Ireland and the counties of origin of my parents.

But you’re not from Ireland Confused