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Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez declares 'Woke was crazy'

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ArabellaScott · 01/09/2026 14:01

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ed06ae08c99aac11

'New York congresswoman Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez gave us that when she literally laughed off a movement she had become the poster girl for live on telly. It was in the midst of an ABC News discussion on the excesses of 2020 progressives earlier this month that she shared a saying from a colleague: “Woke 1 was crazy!”'

Seems a significant shift.

‘Woke’ was a disaster – even the Left admits it

Key liberal figures like AOC may distance themselves from the movement, but their punitive orthodoxy had a chilling effect on free speech

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/gift/ed06ae08c99aac11

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Gretel346 · 02/09/2026 21:44

AlonsoMosley · 02/09/2026 21:01

I really like her but "She was a barista who became a CW" is a misrepresentation of who and what she is.

Her dad was an architect. They have an apartment in NY and a second home isn Westchester County.

She went to Boston College.

She interned for Kennedy.

She is very clearly a hard worker, and smart to boot, but a poor inner city girl she was not.

Father's Death: Her father died of cancer in 2008 when she was a sophomore in college at Boston University.

Post-College Struggle: His death led to major financial difficulties and a long legal battle over his estate. After graduating during the Great Recession, Ocasio-Cortez worked as a waitress and bartender to help support her family and prevent foreclosure on their home.

ArabellaScott · 02/09/2026 21:50

Sunbringer · 02/09/2026 19:59

She was a barista who became a CW. Is she not allowed to develop politically and professionally and learn and grow from her beginning?

If someone realises that they have mistakenly backed a terrible, damaging, destructive ideology three years previously, then the human and honest thing to do would be to give a thoughtful and considered apology. Lolz and 'it was crazy' is not that. She has directly contributed to harm done, and has specifically attacked women who tried to stand up for women's rights.

To Riley Gaines, on womens' sport:

'Maybe if you channeled all this anger into swimming faster you wouldn’t have come in fifth.'

https://x.com/AOC/status/1982882637376303280

To Nancy Mace on objecting to men using women's facilities:

''This is not just bigotry, this is just plain bullying,' Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said.'

And again:

'Lastly, we wouldn’t need to talk about bathrooms at all if we acted like adults, washed our hands + minded our own business instead of trying to clock others. Going by track record, I’d feel safer in a bathroom w/ a trans woman than a powerful male executive any day of the week.'

https://x.com/AOC/status/1087121559444172803

She then called a gamer on Twitch to help him raise money for Mermaids.

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hbomberguy-twitch-stream-1203114042/

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Maybe if you channeled all this anger into swimming faster you wouldn’t have come in fifth.

https://x.com/AOC/status/1982882637376303280

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FruitBatFlying · 02/09/2026 21:55

Sunbringer · 02/09/2026 19:59

She was a barista who became a CW. Is she not allowed to develop politically and professionally and learn and grow from her beginning?

And? I was a babysitter and a waitress before I turned 17. Big whoopy deal.

AimsAndObjectives · 02/09/2026 21:59

To Riley Gaines, on womens' sport:
'Maybe if you channeled all this anger into swimming faster you wouldn’t have come in fifth.'

That was a nasty thing to say to another woman and a nasty way of saying it.

Sunbringer · 02/09/2026 23:14

FruitBatFlying · 02/09/2026 21:55

And? I was a babysitter and a waitress before I turned 17. Big whoopy deal.

Yes what I’m saying is she went into politics from basically no corporate or relevant experience. So she may have had to make leaps and bounds in her learning much like all of us do when going from casual work to professional industries. Shes just skipped the whole in between experience.

AlonsoMosley · 02/09/2026 23:19

Gretel346 · 02/09/2026 21:44

Father's Death: Her father died of cancer in 2008 when she was a sophomore in college at Boston University.

Post-College Struggle: His death led to major financial difficulties and a long legal battle over his estate. After graduating during the Great Recession, Ocasio-Cortez worked as a waitress and bartender to help support her family and prevent foreclosure on their home.

I get that Gretel 346, and I am not taking away from her at all.

But people try and pitch this as some sort of inner city street cred but it really is not.

AlonsoMosley · 02/09/2026 23:25

ArabellaScott · 02/09/2026 21:50

If someone realises that they have mistakenly backed a terrible, damaging, destructive ideology three years previously, then the human and honest thing to do would be to give a thoughtful and considered apology. Lolz and 'it was crazy' is not that. She has directly contributed to harm done, and has specifically attacked women who tried to stand up for women's rights.

To Riley Gaines, on womens' sport:

'Maybe if you channeled all this anger into swimming faster you wouldn’t have come in fifth.'

https://x.com/AOC/status/1982882637376303280

To Nancy Mace on objecting to men using women's facilities:

''This is not just bigotry, this is just plain bullying,' Democratic Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez said.'

And again:

'Lastly, we wouldn’t need to talk about bathrooms at all if we acted like adults, washed our hands + minded our own business instead of trying to clock others. Going by track record, I’d feel safer in a bathroom w/ a trans woman than a powerful male executive any day of the week.'

https://x.com/AOC/status/1087121559444172803

She then called a gamer on Twitch to help him raise money for Mermaids.

https://variety.com/2019/gaming/news/alexandria-ocasio-cortez-hbomberguy-twitch-stream-1203114042/

In spite of this, I still like her.

But you are completely right - if you want to be the leader of one of the most powerful countries in the world, show some leadership!

Greyover · 02/09/2026 23:27

nauticant · 01/09/2026 16:14

My reading between the lines is that US progressives have shifted their agenda and Woke 2 is coming (in the form of the Democratic Socialists of America) and this time they're hoping to win the game having learned from their mistakes.

There's movement away from the DSA policies amongst Democrats eyeing up a chance of leadership. We can but hope.

FruitBatFlying · 02/09/2026 23:43

Greyover · 02/09/2026 23:27

There's movement away from the DSA policies amongst Democrats eyeing up a chance of leadership. We can but hope.

Jonah Orion Wheeler in NH is my ‘one to watch’ right now. Very impressive.

Coffeelovr · 03/09/2026 00:05

ArabellaScott · 02/09/2026 21:38

'HFEA figures show that, as an average across all age groups, just 2% of all thawed eggs ended up as pregnancies and 0.7% resulted in live births in 2018. For each IVF cycle, this gives a 27% chance on average of a birth for those who froze their eggs before the age of 35 and a 13% for those who froze their eggs after this age. The most common age for egg freezing in the UK is 38 years old.'

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/11/not-a-guarantee-why-freezing-your-eggs-shouldnt-be-an-insurance-policy

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"For each IVF cycle, this gives a 27% chance on average of a birth for those who froze their eggs before the age of 35 and a 13% for those who froze their eggs after this age."

I think that means there's approximately a 50-50 chance of a successful birth for over 35s after 5 cycles increasing to 80% for under 35s

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/09/2026 07:30

Sunbringer · 02/09/2026 19:59

She was a barista who became a CW. Is she not allowed to develop politically and professionally and learn and grow from her beginning?

Yes, but being a member of congress is a role with much responsibility. I think she owes the electorate an explanation for some of her past positions and why she has now changed her mind about them.

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/09/2026 07:38

Gretel346 · 02/09/2026 21:44

Father's Death: Her father died of cancer in 2008 when she was a sophomore in college at Boston University.

Post-College Struggle: His death led to major financial difficulties and a long legal battle over his estate. After graduating during the Great Recession, Ocasio-Cortez worked as a waitress and bartender to help support her family and prevent foreclosure on their home.

Being a public representative with great responsibility is not predicated on your 'lived experience' but on your capability in handling that role. You are responsible for your positions and for your actions and you have to be held accountable.

In the last couple of decades I think young people have been lauded and lionised far too much; so much so that we've been led by people with far too little worldly experience. Real world politics is not the same as student politics.

ChequerToRed · 04/09/2026 14:28

Shortshriftandlethal · 03/09/2026 07:38

Being a public representative with great responsibility is not predicated on your 'lived experience' but on your capability in handling that role. You are responsible for your positions and for your actions and you have to be held accountable.

In the last couple of decades I think young people have been lauded and lionised far too much; so much so that we've been led by people with far too little worldly experience. Real world politics is not the same as student politics.

Agree about the lionisation of the young that’s been going on, and I found the whole ‘The Squad’ thing icky. As has already been said on this thread, it’s politics as fashion, when fashion is the very last thing politics should be because it’s all in the now, novelty, and has no sights on consequences or longevity. Part of it is due to social media, but sadly I also think it’s down to too many Gen X refusing to admit they’re getting old and acting like that Steve Buscemi ‘How do, fellow kids’ GIF.

AOC is blatantly trying to wipe away the lingering stank of Woke1 in the hope of a bigger role in two years time, maybe even a presidential bid, but it’s going to take a lot more than treating her past stances and declarations like an ill advised haircut, it’s more like a regrettable tattoo.

Shortshriftandlethal · 04/09/2026 14:33

Some of that lionisation arose as a result of Greta Thunberg, in my view....and then we saw some increasingly young MPs and local councillors here in Britain. Wasn't Mhari Black just 20 when she was elected? There is a councillor in my city who was even younger when he was elected, and he's been very influential is steering the way the city council has encated gender ideology across the city.

QueenietheGreat · 04/09/2026 21:16

@Shortshriftandlethal
The one thing that pains me in all this is that the repulsicans will use this as an excuse to say that they were the right ones all along and could drag the USA into a even deeper more right-wing quagmire.

Shortshriftandlethal · 05/09/2026 10:36

QueenietheGreat · 04/09/2026 21:16

@Shortshriftandlethal
The one thing that pains me in all this is that the repulsicans will use this as an excuse to say that they were the right ones all along and could drag the USA into a even deeper more right-wing quagmire.

I'm hopeful that post Trump ( MAGA) the Republicans will head back to the sensible centre ground than most of them occupy. Traditional conservatives.

AlonsoMosley · 08/09/2026 05:50

QueenietheGreat · 04/09/2026 21:16

@Shortshriftandlethal
The one thing that pains me in all this is that the repulsicans will use this as an excuse to say that they were the right ones all along and could drag the USA into a even deeper more right-wing quagmire.

That is my worry too @Shortshriftandlethal .

I saw Trump winning for a second time as an indication that his type of politics is a feature rather than a blip. The Republican Party has been on this trajectory since the Tea Party really.

My worry, not unlike yours, is that Trump will be voted out rather than the Democrats being voted in. They still seem to have very little to say beyond the "we are not him."

Who will come after the next elected is the one to be really scared of, mainly because of the way the SC is lining it all up.

Helleofabore · 08/09/2026 08:52

“The plan is to hammer home stories of transgender teens suffering discrimination and humiliation, gaining sympathy from voters”…

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/aug/15/democrats-plan-decade-long-strategy-push-pro-transgender-narrative/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

By Kerry Picket
The Washington Times
August 15, 2026
“What to know

Democrats are intensifying efforts to support transgender rights ahead of the midterms.

The goal is to increase visibility of transgender individuals over the next decade.

Democrats believe these attack ads will backfire as public support for transgender rights grows.”

“Democrats are doubling down on their fight to convince Americans that their transgender policies should return.
The plan is to hammer home stories of transgender teens suffering discrimination and humiliation, gaining sympathy from voters and making a liability out of the expected onslaught of GOP ads attacking Democrats’ transgender policies.”

The article describes the plan presented to caucus.

It finishes with:
”Democrats said such attack ads will backfire on Republicans as Americans increasingly embrace transgender rights, the same way Democrats brought voters to their side on gay marriage.

It won’t be an easy battle for LGBTQ advocates.

Various polls show most Americans are against male-born athletes competing in female sports, with voters saying doctors should not perform transgender surgery on minors, and that transgender people should use bathrooms assigned to their biological sex.”

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2026 09:00

Helleofabore · 08/09/2026 08:52

“The plan is to hammer home stories of transgender teens suffering discrimination and humiliation, gaining sympathy from voters”…

https://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2026/aug/15/democrats-plan-decade-long-strategy-push-pro-transgender-narrative/?utm_campaign=shareaholic&utm_medium=twitter&utm_source=socialnetwork

By Kerry Picket
The Washington Times
August 15, 2026
“What to know

Democrats are intensifying efforts to support transgender rights ahead of the midterms.

The goal is to increase visibility of transgender individuals over the next decade.

Democrats believe these attack ads will backfire as public support for transgender rights grows.”

“Democrats are doubling down on their fight to convince Americans that their transgender policies should return.
The plan is to hammer home stories of transgender teens suffering discrimination and humiliation, gaining sympathy from voters and making a liability out of the expected onslaught of GOP ads attacking Democrats’ transgender policies.”

The article describes the plan presented to caucus.

It finishes with:
”Democrats said such attack ads will backfire on Republicans as Americans increasingly embrace transgender rights, the same way Democrats brought voters to their side on gay marriage.

It won’t be an easy battle for LGBTQ advocates.

Various polls show most Americans are against male-born athletes competing in female sports, with voters saying doctors should not perform transgender surgery on minors, and that transgender people should use bathrooms assigned to their biological sex.”

Of all the fucken issues they choose to fight on, they pick this one.

Good fucken god.

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QueenietheGreat · 08/09/2026 09:43

@ArabellaScott
You are so right
There are other "problems" they could've easily picked
Could be getting to the stage where even the good lord himself will want nothing to do with it......

Helleofabore · 08/09/2026 10:23

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2026 09:00

Of all the fucken issues they choose to fight on, they pick this one.

Good fucken god.

What is also worth noting is the deliberate plan to use blatant emotional manipulation to gain support. As we have seen here in the UK though, this has the potential to back fire.

And of course…. Let’s not forget the Victorian state government attempt which shamed women and modelled that women should just ignore their personal intuitive response and discomfort of being in an enclosed lift with a male person they don’t want to be in an enclosed space with.

www.vic.gov.au/theunsaid

Such blatant manipulation is fraught with potential to fail badly.

ArabellaScott · 08/09/2026 11:27

HRC plans to spend $15 million in this year’s midterms to sway voters in favor of transgender rights and the Democratic candidates who support transgender rights. It is his organization’s goal to make transgender people more visible over the next 10 years, showing American voters that transgender people are their friends and neighbors.

“And we really believe that in terms of shifting opinion on these issues when it comes to sports, healthcare — where it might be tough — the way we do it is by sharing our stories and not backing down and making ourselves more visible,” Mr. Alleman said.

So, lots more sunlight, then.

They do make our arguments for us, so I suppose I should be pleased. It's just all so fucking tedious.

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MissConductUS · 08/09/2026 11:29

”Democrats said such attack ads will backfire on Republicans as Americans increasingly embrace transgender rights, the same way Democrats brought voters to their side on gay marriage.

Rubbish. I strongly supported gay marriage, in part because if two gay people wish to marry, it takes away nothing from my rights and the rights of others if they do so. That is not true at all with biological males intruding into women's spaces and competing with women and girls in competitive sports. Rights are not absolute - they have boundaries where they infringe on the rights of others, and Americans understand that.

nauticant · 08/09/2026 12:12

There is a bizarre fightback going on in the progressive Left in the US. There is an organisation called the Associated Press Sports Editors whose work is to influence the way sports are covered by the Associated Press so that it's done in an approved way. They've just announced an award for journalism representing the best ideological compliance to genderism:

apsportseditors.com/apse-adds-new-contest-category-for-excellence-in-transgender-sports-coverage/

Lalgarh · Today 14:41

Shortshriftandlethal · 01/09/2026 15:35

I suspect she is just referring to the 'De-Fund The Police' and 'close all prisons' side of things.

Edited

AOC was quite the advocate for prison abolition. Her tweets are still up

https://x.com/AOC/status/1181207065072676864

Nitter used to let you access the comments below tweets without log in

This is from her Facebook

https://www.facebook.com/OcasioCortez/videos/on-abolition-and-healing/518155213484149/

Rapists and abusers, you will be delighted to hear, will be on a "healing journey" instead of prison cuz you know, mainly they were abused in their childhoods, mmmkay?

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez declares 'Woke was crazy'