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PM Andy Burham: what next for women's (and children's) rights?

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 13/07/2026 19:23

There didn't seem to be an appropriate existing thread, so -
Given that none of us voted for Andy (I know, I know, Labour won the last election, vote for party, he is new leader...blah blah) -

Any predictions for how bad it could get (puberty blocker trial, Conversion Bill, etc.)? Anything positive to look forward to?

New backing from MPs mathematically guarantees Burnham's coronation

27 more Labour MPs have nominated Andy Burnham to be leader of the Labour Party - making it mathematically impossible for any other leadership contender to challenge him.
^^
349 Labour MPs have now nominated Burnham, up from 322 on Thursday.
A candidate needs 81 nominations to stand - so there now aren't enough Labour MPs left to nominate anyone else.
^^
Burnham will still need the backing of three affiliated organisations and trade unions.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360#12052134

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 29/07/2026 20:19

From 17 July 2026

Compass Statement on Andy Burnham’s election as Leader of the Labour Party

full statement here
https://www.compassonline.org.uk/compass-statement-on-andy-burnhams-election-as-leader-of-the-labour-party/

Excerpt:

"...A clear break with the current economic and democratic settlement must be delivered.

This starts with restoring public* *ownership of– not just control over– essentials such as water; ending the democratic injustice of our rotten political system by introducing Proportional Representation and abolishing the House of Lords; and building a new political economy that taxes wealth and not just work, protects both people and planet, and guarantees the essentials for a good life for all.

None of this will be possible without ending the culture of hyperfactionalism that has so devastated the Labour Party.

They must understand the nature of our two-bloc, multi-party politics and learn to form alliances in a spirit of radical pluralism.

They must build the ideas, culture and deep political organisation needed to create change in a permacrisis world and confront the forces of orthodoxy....
[my italics]

A reminder: A member of the Compass Board is Neal Lawson, a key Burnham strategic advisor.

Compass Statement on Andy Burnham's election as Leader of the Labour Party - Compass

Today, Labour has been given a lifeline. Andy Burnham’s election as Leader of the Labour Party marks the beginning– not […]

https://www.compassonline.org.uk/compass-statement-on-andy-burnhams-election-as-leader-of-the-labour-party/

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 29/07/2026 20:28

This is Compass (from last year)

7 September 2025
Today we launched Mainstream. Here’s why.

https://www.compassonline.org.uk/today-we-launched-mainstream-heres-why/

"Initiated by Compass, with the support of Open Labour and many others, Mainstream will be an independent vehicle with the sole task of saving the Labour Party from its clear drift to the right and the unintended paving of the way to a Reform government....

But now Labour needs to be pushed from the inside, to ensure that the majority within the party that want to tax wealth, to bring water into public ownership and to ensure that our democratic system is revitalised through the introduction of proportional representation, is heard and heeded. Only then will we unlock the transformation of our country and the possibility of a much more progressive, pluralist future.

This is the mainstream.

[missed out names of Mainstream members- will try to rectify]

And so we’ve set up Mainstream, not because we’ve given up on pluralism and cross-party working, but because we believe in it so much and know that Labour can and must be redirected to become a progressive force once more. A party the electorate will turn towards to back tactically and not turn away from. A party willing to work with others to stop the march of nationalistic populism.

Compass will continue to be the home for Labour, Greens, Liberal Democrats and radicals of no party, for cross-party alliances and big civil society mobilizations on key issues like water ownership and more....."
[my bold underline]

Today we launched Mainstream. Here’s why. - Compass

In the 22 years since it was founded, there has never been a more important moment in the life of […]

https://www.compassonline.org.uk/today-we-launched-mainstream-heres-why/

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 29/07/2026 20:42

https://www.compassonline.org.uk/today-we-launched-mainstream-heres-why/

The list of names of Mainstream won't paste, so here they are (from September 2025):

Mayor Andy Burnham
Clive Efford MP
Paula Barker MP
Clive Lewis MP
Olivia Blake MP
Alex Sobel MP
Dawn Butler MP
Rachael Maskell MP
Dr Simon Opher MP
Chris Hinchcliff MP
Peter Lamb MP
John Denham
Baroness Ruth Lister
Lord Larry Whitty
Baroness Anna Healy
Lord Stewart Wood
Sir Geoff Mulgan
David Ward
Michael Jacobs
Jon Cruddas
Lord Alf Dubs
Fiona Mactaggart
Clare Short
Jon Lansman
John Grogan
Paul Sweeney
Jeremy Gilbert
Glyn Ford

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fromorbit · 30/07/2026 08:02

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 29/07/2026 13:14

Just copying over for traffic:

Unions boycotting Labour Women's Conference

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5560214-sexist-unions-boycott-labour-womens-conference

thanks @fromorbit

Thanks for that. The row over trade unions boycotting the Women's conference is going to be significant I think within Labour. It could undermine the TAs grip inside the unions, and push Burnham and others further away from the genderist position but we will see.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 30/07/2026 19:34

Just been reading through the union boycott thread. I want to hear Andy Burnham publicly denounce the unions for the boycott of the Women's Conference. C'mon, Andy, be a grownup!

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SodThisHeadache · 30/07/2026 19:37

That would be amazing. I can't express how much I despise the unions at this point. I don't think he has the guts though

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 30/07/2026 19:51

Well, he bloody forgot he had a wife and children on the day he officially opened No. 10 North, calling it "the best day of his life " so I'm not holding out hope that he has remembered that there even are any women in the Labour Party!

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SodThisHeadache · 30/07/2026 19:56

Quite. Can you imagine him actually standing up to Transactivists this early, if ever?

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 02/08/2026 14:12

Sorry, I just can't resist:

Reasons to not trust Andy: Vote for Me, and I'll Be There For You

#33 Did you promise them, five or six weeks ago, that you were looking forward to being their MP, and being around in Manchester to help sort out their problems? Did you, Andy?

"People on whose doors I was knocking only about five, six weeks ago... They did get over to me how tough life was. Can't go for drink anymore. Can't take the kids out. Not having a holiday this year.

"I heard those type of things being said throughout the campaign, and those comments were still ringing in my ears as I arrived in Downing Street," the PM said. [my bold]

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-andy-burnham-keir-starmer-labour-12593360

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 02/08/2026 14:17

One to watch out for. Women's rights campaigners are going to have to monitor this closely, because we certainly don't want anything written in stone that is detrimental to women's and children's rights, which cannot be challenged later.

Burnham: Britain needs written constitution as country is run differently
The new prime minister has said that a written constitution could be needed for Britain as a "different approach" is taken to running the country.
Speaking this week as he revealed plans for increased devolution, Andy Burnham said the proposals increased the case for a formal constitution because they would change Britain.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-andy-burnham-keir-starmer-labour-12593360

Will start a new thread on this, as I think it deserves its own discussion.

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UtopiaPlanitia · 02/08/2026 16:47

Andy’s full of big dreamy ideas but so far all we’ve got from him is cringe TikTok videos and very little on policy specifics.

I don’t want vibes, I want someone to get the country’s multiple serious problems solved.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 02/08/2026 20:24

UtopiaPlanitia · 02/08/2026 16:47

Andy’s full of big dreamy ideas but so far all we’ve got from him is cringe TikTok videos and very little on policy specifics.

I don’t want vibes, I want someone to get the country’s multiple serious problems solved.

I agree, and, from what some are saying on the other thread, it's just not going to be possible to do. So, where is Burnham going with this?

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UtopiaPlanitia · 02/08/2026 21:59

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 02/08/2026 20:24

I agree, and, from what some are saying on the other thread, it's just not going to be possible to do. So, where is Burnham going with this?

That is indeed the puzzling question. How he can possibly think that making wee TikTok videos about being Mancunian is something he should be spending time on makes me wonder who’s actually running the government, because his behaviour gives the impression that he’s fiddling while Rome burns.

So far he feels like a distraction or a front man rather than the man in charge of the country 🤷‍♀️

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 14/08/2026 16:52

Just keeping an eye on Compass.

A reminder: A member of the Compass Board is Neal Lawson, a key Burnham strategic advisor.

This is one of their new initiatives:

………………………………

100 Ideas for 100 Days of the Burnham Government
https://www.compassonline.org.uk/100-ideas-for-100-days-of-the-burnham-government/

Last month, we called on Compass Members and our friends in the civil society space to combine and suggest a whole range of policies and ideas that this Government should undertake quickly to drag Britain out of the difficult political situation it finds itself in.

Today, we’re excited to launch ‘100 Ideas for 100 Days’.

Ideas are from Compass Members unless otherwise stated.

Note: Inclusion of a policy doesn’t necessarily equate to full endorsement of the policy from Compass or any individual/organisation named here.
[my bold]

…………………………………

Week One is about how Britain is governed. Take a look at the following two selections:

19.Commit publicly to using inclusive not divisive policy language – in particular ‘social security’ not ‘welfare’ with reference to benefits and ‘irregular’ not ‘illegal’ to describe asylum-seekers arriving by unauthorised means
Ruth Lister, Baroness Lister of Burtersett – Labour Peer
‘Language matters’ as the interim report of the Timms PIP review reminds us. A cost-free action would be to commit the government and its ministers publicly to inclusive rather than divisive language. Two examples: First, in its original meaning ‘welfare’ is of course a positive. But in its American meaning, used in relation to social security, it conjures up a miserable residual scheme for the stigmatised ‘other’. In contrast, social security conveys the aim of genuine financial security for all by social means. Second, too often asylum-seekers, with a legal right to seek asylum, who have travelled by unauthorised routes, are described as ‘illegal migrants’. This stokes public hostility. The more accurate term ‘irregular’ is less pejorative and does not convey the image of ‘breaking in’ used by the Right. [who decides what "inclusive" and "divisive" mean? my underlines]

22.Sanctions for false political statements
[Compass member]
Legislation to introduce sanctions on politicians or candidates who deliberately or recklessly make false or misleading statements and don’t correct the record when challenged. Adam Price has pioneered similar legislation in the Senedd; Compassion in Politics, Unlock Democracy and others are championing it for Westminster. [my underline]

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Just wondering how, if adopted, the Burham Government intends to square that circle? In the past decade, most of the "inclusive" language about gender ideology coming from Labour has embraced, and even directly led to, false political statements detrimental to women's rights! (David Lammy and his "men can grow a cervix" anyone?" Keir "99% of women don't have a penis" Starmer?)

These are unlikely to be adopted (??) but these seem likely to be the kinds of ideas washing around Government because of Burnham's links to Compass and its membership.

100 Ideas for 100 Days of the Burnham Government - Compass

In just over a couple of weeks, Andy Burnham will head back to Westminster– this time as Prime Minister. We […]

https://www.compassonline.org.uk/100-ideas-for-100-days-of-the-burnham-government/

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 14/08/2026 16:54

There will be a Compass Panel at the Labour Conference:

https://www.compassonline.org.uk/events/compass-panel-at-labour-conference/

LABOUR IN A FRAGMENTED ELECTORAL REALITY: HOW DO WE LEAD THE PROGRESSIVE MAJORITY?
Date: Sunday 27th September
Time: 4.15pm – 5.45pm
Venue: The Clubhouse Hotel, Ropewalks

With talks of pacts, pluralism and splits, how does Labour use its historical base to lead the progressive majority in a multi-party system? What are the areas of agreement and what are the red lines we must hold firm on? And how do we govern with consensus without losing what it means to be Labour?

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lcakethereforeIam · 14/08/2026 23:18

Ba-dum tish!

POMSFlowerInsectTimedCount · 16/08/2026 09:59

Do you think anyone will suggest that a party with the ambition to lead a 'progressive' majority should interest itself in women's rights and the ways in which progress towards a more equal society has been undermined by the project to erase women as a sex class and replace sex with personally constructed gender?

I could get behind that sort of agenda...

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 16/08/2026 17:04

POMSFlowerInsectTimedCount · 16/08/2026 09:59

Do you think anyone will suggest that a party with the ambition to lead a 'progressive' majority should interest itself in women's rights and the ways in which progress towards a more equal society has been undermined by the project to erase women as a sex class and replace sex with personally constructed gender?

I could get behind that sort of agenda...

Well, we can always hope. I suspect the first thing Burnham and his cronies want to do is consolidate power for Burnham and his cronies. The "progressive society" is a nice talking point, but, ultimately a diversion or distraction from what they really want. And, whatever that is, it will not be about women.

Cynical? Moi?

ps. "personally constructed gender" - nice phrase! I think I'll use that sometime.

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 29/08/2026 09:51

I'm sure there is a thread on the Conversion Bill, but can't find it at the moment, so will post this here (and also elsewhere when I locate the thread!)

New article from TerfTimes about the Conversion Bill, from 28 August 2026, written by LGBA:

Caring will be criminalised | TERF Times

Caring will be criminalised

The Conversion Practices Bill risks turning parents, teachers and counsellors into criminals for helping children understand that they may simply grow up to be same-sex attracted, writes LGB Alliance’s Campaigns Manager.

There is something deeply perverse about watching gay rights being used to make it harder for children to grow up gay. And that’s why, at LGB Alliance, we’re opposing the Draft Conversion Practices Bill....

The Government says parents have nothing to fear, but there is no general exemption for them, or for teachers, friends, charities and pastoral workers. Nor is the threat of criminal prosecution the Bill’s only means of enforcement. It also creates Conversion Practice Protection Orders (CPPOs). These are civil orders and do not require somebody first to have been prosecuted or convicted. Police and local authorities can apply for them; family courts can make them during existing proceedings; and urgent orders can initially be made without the accused even being present. Breach an order without reasonable excuse and you could land in prison....

.…………

I had hoped that this Bill would die a death, with everything else Burnham has got to do, but not yet...

Representation of conversion therapy

Caring will be criminalised | TERF Times

The Conversion Practices Bill risks turning parents, teachers and counsellors into criminals for helping children understand that they may simply grow up to be same-sex attracted, writes LGB Alliance’s Campaigns Manager.

https://www.terftimes.com/p/criminal-caring/

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 30/08/2026 10:48

(also posted on the Draft Conversion Bill thread)

From TerfTimes, 29 August 2026:

Stonewall haunting No.10 | TERF Times

Stonewall haunting No.10

The Government’s “best evidence available” leads straight to Stonewall and a survey claiming that one in ten LGBT adults has undergone an exorcism

There is just one click between an official government document on the conversion-therapy ban and Stonewall, the wounded giant of trans lobbying.

The keen-eyed warrior women of Transgender Trend drew attention to the connection on X. Footnote three of the Government’s Draft Equality Impact Assessment links directly to a Stonewall campaign page promoting a ban, complete with an invitation to donate....

The campaign has outlived Theresa May, Boris Johnson, Liz Truss, the lettuce, Rishi Sunak and Sir Keir Starmer. The draft Bill has now washed up in Andy Burnham’s in-tray.

Labour says the proposed offence is tightly drawn and will criminalise only abusive conduct intended to change somebody’s sexual orientation or transgender identity where it causes serious harm, alarm or distress. Critics fear that its elastic language could still place parents, therapists and teachers in legal jeopardy for challenging a child’s belief that he or she is transgender.... [my bold]

TransgenderTrend (@Transgendertrd) on X

** Official government document links to Stonewall campaigning and donate page ** The EOE's equality impact report is meant to back up the draft Conversion Practices Bill. It cites Stonewall's 2025 Opinium survey as evidence of good data proving the...

https://x.com/Transgendertrd/status/2093328491097809385

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · Yesterday 18:12

An update on what some in Andy Burnham's government think are good political moves that they can get away with because their policies affect mainly women:

Thanks to @TwoLoonsAndASprout

https://x.com/CConcern/status/2102045706773029152

BREAKING: Health minister Karin Smyth has told the Darlington nurses there is no plan for new NHS rules on single-sex spaces, despite the government previously promising action and institutions repeatedly saying they are 'waiting for guidance' following the Supreme Court ruling 18 months ago.

And Bridget Phillipson has included organizations who believe that "women" include "some men" in her new taskforce on misogyny, but somehow missed out many well-known organizations who know what a woman is.

https://www.terftimes.com/p/woman-up-bridget/

The Minister for Women and Equalities says she wants to root out “harmful attitudes” online, at work and in communities. In an interview with LBC she claimed misogyny means women “make their world smaller or curb their ambitions out of fear”. But tackling misogyny without having the guts to proudly define the ‘gyn’ is doomed to fail....

[Bridget Phillipson] has assembled the usual government fluffers rather than the grassroots grafters who have spent years defending women’s rights. There’s no mention of groups like Women’s Rights Network, Standing for Women or For Women Scotland.....

Thread about the new taskforce on misogyny here:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5580466-government-launches-national-taskforce-aimed-at-tackling-misogyny-across-society?page=1

Christian Concern (@CConcern) on X

🚨 BREAKING: Health minister Karin Smyth has told the Darlington nurses there is no plan for new NHS rules on single-sex spaces, despite the government previously promising action and institutions repeatedly saying they are 'waiting for guidance' follo...

https://x.com/CConcern/status/2102045706773029152

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