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PM Andy Burham: what next for women's (and children's) rights?

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 13/07/2026 19:23

There didn't seem to be an appropriate existing thread, so -
Given that none of us voted for Andy (I know, I know, Labour won the last election, vote for party, he is new leader...blah blah) -

Any predictions for how bad it could get (puberty blocker trial, Conversion Bill, etc.)? Anything positive to look forward to?

New backing from MPs mathematically guarantees Burnham's coronation

27 more Labour MPs have nominated Andy Burnham to be leader of the Labour Party - making it mathematically impossible for any other leadership contender to challenge him.
^^
349 Labour MPs have now nominated Burnham, up from 322 on Thursday.
A candidate needs 81 nominations to stand - so there now aren't enough Labour MPs left to nominate anyone else.
^^
Burnham will still need the backing of three affiliated organisations and trade unions.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360#12052134

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AnAutumnCrow · 17/07/2026 23:58

MailOnline saying Angela Rayner in Health.

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 00:12

AnAutumnCrow · 17/07/2026 23:58

MailOnline saying Angela Rayner in Health.

I'm not sure if that's good or bad - I don't really attribute Rayner with getting much done in general or having a vision 🤷‍♀️

I don't know where she stands on the puberty blocker trial but I'm guessing she's probably not going to do anything to alleviate concerns about this cohort of kids being experimented on and she's likely going to continue Labour's record of citing Cass every time someone points out it's not a safe idea.

AnAutumnCrow · 18/07/2026 00:23

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 00:12

I'm not sure if that's good or bad - I don't really attribute Rayner with getting much done in general or having a vision 🤷‍♀️

I don't know where she stands on the puberty blocker trial but I'm guessing she's probably not going to do anything to alleviate concerns about this cohort of kids being experimented on and she's likely going to continue Labour's record of citing Cass every time someone points out it's not a safe idea.

Apparently she’ll be given the brief to drive ahead on Burnham’s ‘national care service’ programme of reform.

Pearlstillsinging · 18/07/2026 00:24

AnAutumnCrow · 17/07/2026 23:58

MailOnline saying Angela Rayner in Health.

Why on earth would MOL have the inside track on AB's decisions, which won't be announced until Monday? Does that not seem counter-intuitive?

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 00:31

Leakiness I imagine.

AnAutumnCrow · 18/07/2026 01:50

They all have their leaky contacts though I daresay they occasionally make shit up to elicit comments and clicks for the £££.

In return for leaking, a leaker can expect some good press (or a milder version of a negative revelation) from a political correspondent. It’s a murky business. I’ve been there.

SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 08:26

RedToothBrush · 17/07/2026 23:04

And that's precisely why it won't fly.

Burnham has to connect with voters.

He has to win over the red/blue wall voters. It's the only way he wins an election. At the same time he has to not lose as many seats to the greens in the south.

So looking like a cheap rent-a-northerner, just isn't going to be good enough. He actually has to rewrite a lot of the narrative and have a credible alternative.

Sound bites and PR are PRECISELY what has alienated huge numbers of voters looking for an alternative to that - who have gone to Reform and the Greens.

And he has very little time to manage to PROVE he can make a difference.

Being decisive rather than fence sitting is one thing voters are looking for. The flip-flopping generally of politicians has been a huge issue for the Torys AND Labour.
Another is substance and being able to hold a conversation about difficult subjects.

Yes. The by-election was supposed to be proof of concept that Labour can win back red wall voters with a positive and inspiring message.

I'm not sure that it really proves much beyond the fact that Labour can win a by-election in Greater Manchester with a candidate called Andy Burnham, when he's pitching himself as the alternative to the most unpopular PM in history, when Labour have been able to deploy the biggest GOTV operation anyone can remember seeing, and when they've been facing a Reform candidate who isn't a professional politician, who's extremely rough around the edges, who's got a Rupert Lowe spoiler candidate anklebiting him, and who's having to face not just a hostile press but a press that's willing to help Labour by spending literally weeks running headlines about his brain farts on the Wigan Warriors forum in 2014.

Try to replicate those circumstances in hundreds of constituencies.

And that's even before Burnham has become PM and had to make some unpopular decisions.

RedToothBrush · 18/07/2026 08:28

SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 08:26

Yes. The by-election was supposed to be proof of concept that Labour can win back red wall voters with a positive and inspiring message.

I'm not sure that it really proves much beyond the fact that Labour can win a by-election in Greater Manchester with a candidate called Andy Burnham, when he's pitching himself as the alternative to the most unpopular PM in history, when Labour have been able to deploy the biggest GOTV operation anyone can remember seeing, and when they've been facing a Reform candidate who isn't a professional politician, who's extremely rough around the edges, who's got a Rupert Lowe spoiler candidate anklebiting him, and who's having to face not just a hostile press but a press that's willing to help Labour by spending literally weeks running headlines about his brain farts on the Wigan Warriors forum in 2014.

Try to replicate those circumstances in hundreds of constituencies.

And that's even before Burnham has become PM and had to make some unpopular decisions.

Quite.

He's passed the 'anyone but starmer, we like other northerners' test.

That's it.

That's the sum total of just not being the biggest turkey in town at this point.

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/07/2026 10:21

Ereshkigalangcleg · 17/07/2026 23:49

If the alternative is Ed Miliband as it seems to be, I’d rather Shabhana takes over from Rachel Reeves.

Now that new drilling licenses for the North Sea have been announced - maybe he could still go with Milliband, seeing that oil and gas reserves/climate policies were one of the main issues people had with him?

Though, of course, he's also going to be sensitive to not having a woman in a top job, and for that reason alone he could go with Mahmood....and then put someone in the Home Office who would water down her reforms to appease those that don't like them.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 18/07/2026 10:28

And, so it starts... If he's firefighting for the next two years, will women's rights just get lost in the shuffle?

Thames Water lenders plot legal fight with Burnham over nationalisation
The group of investors engaged in a rescue bid for Thames Water are plotting a multibillion pound legal battle with Andy Burnham's new government if it forcibly nationalises Britain's biggest water company.

Sky News can reveal that members of the London & Valley Water (L&VW) consortium has engaged Pallas Partners - which describes itself as an "elite litigation and disputes firm" - to draw up plans for a legal fight with the government if its offer for the company is rejected.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-paris-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 18/07/2026 11:01

What a bunch of thoroughly upstanding members of society! Perhaps they're the best he could come up with. Anneliese Midgley, with her union connections, could be a complete disaster, as Chief Whip, for women's rights. (Or, she could move in there and set them all straight).

Who are the MPs set to be prominent in Andy Burnham's government?

[my bold, these are not the only names mentioned]

Louise Haigh
The Sheffield Heeley MP has been a key backer of Burnham to replace Sir Keir Starmer, and also helped organise the new PM's transition into Number 10.
She was forced to leave Starmer's government in 2024 after Sky News revealed she had admitted fraud by false representation and misleading the police in 2014.

Anneliese Midgley
The other half of Burnham's top parliamentary partnership, alongside Haigh, Midgley was not a government payroll figure under Starmer.

Despite only entering parliament in 2024, she is a veteran political operator, having previously been political director at the Unite union and the Trade Union Congress.

She was a key adviser to Starmer in opposition, but had also previously worked for Jeremy Corbyn.
With her experience in unions and the machinery of the Labour Party, a role like chief whip may be on the cards.

Angela Rayner could also return to the front bench after time in the political wilderness following the scandal around her taxes.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-paris-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360

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SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 11:23

It also seems the "Number 10 North" idea might have to wait a while, since the government campus isn't set up for that sort of thing in terms of security.

But it's wild when you think about it. The coup leader decides he's going to move a lot of government functions to his home town, on a site he's been developing with the ruling party's deputy leader (who played a key role in the coup) and his hand-picked successor as mayor.

If this were happening somewhere like Burkina Faso, you'd have UN rapporteurs screaming about warlord corruption. But it's just business as usual for Manchester Labour.

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 17:34

Interesting tweet & article re disquiet within Labour concerning Burnham’s leadership style:

https://nitter.net/alexwickham/status/2078406154753827321

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 17:35

Yes, never thought of it quite like that but you’re right!

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 17:37

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 17:34

Interesting tweet & article re disquiet within Labour concerning Burnham’s leadership style:

https://nitter.net/alexwickham/status/2078406154753827321

Very interesting, thank you. I’ve certainly got all the 🍿 in.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 18/07/2026 17:40

Shortshriftandlethal · 18/07/2026 10:21

Now that new drilling licenses for the North Sea have been announced - maybe he could still go with Milliband, seeing that oil and gas reserves/climate policies were one of the main issues people had with him?

Though, of course, he's also going to be sensitive to not having a woman in a top job, and for that reason alone he could go with Mahmood....and then put someone in the Home Office who would water down her reforms to appease those that don't like them.

I don’t think that’s the only issue with Miliband.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 18/07/2026 17:41

UtopiaPlanitia · 18/07/2026 17:34

Interesting tweet & article re disquiet within Labour concerning Burnham’s leadership style:

https://nitter.net/alexwickham/status/2078406154753827321

Well that is an interesting read! Trouble already at Chez Andy...

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BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 18/07/2026 23:17

No digital ID this time around. There has been concern about whether or not "sex" should be put ipon a digital ID, but it's moot now.

https://news.sky.com/story/politics-latest-burnham-starmer-labour-paris-tories-badenoch-farage-12593360

Burnham scraps Starmer digital ID scheme in first major policy pledge

Scrapping digital ID is Andy Burnham's first notable policy intervention.
Burnham, who is set to become prime minister on Monday, has been tight-lipped when it comes to specific policy proposals.
^^
However, he has announced that Sir Keir Starmer's much maligned digital ID is for the chop, with the money said to be spent on tackling the cost of living instead.

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SionnachRuadh · 18/07/2026 23:29

That's good.

Now let's see what he does about Liz Kendall's plans to crack down on VPNs, or Lisa Nandy proposing to seize control of the YouTube algorithm and force it to privilege "trusted" news outlets.

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 19/07/2026 12:15

Politics latest: 'Privatisation of water hasn't worked', key Burnham ally Lucy Powell says | Politics News | Sky News

Some choice words from Lucy Powell (Labour Deputy Leader) this morning [my bold]

MPs 'do need to dial invective down' in politics

"But we have to deal with the threat. And the threat comes from this increasingly polarised, increasingly personalised, sometimes quite toxic debate in this country, which is absolutely amplified and made worse in many cases on social media in the way in which social media operates.

"And we do need to dial that down. We need to disagree agreeably once again, if that is possible, and respect the fact that we do have differing views from each other, but we can do that respectfully."

[does that actually mean "respectfully" or "women budge over for the men... respectfully", Lucy?]

The Manifesto:

"This is a project and a mission over time, reorienting the focus and the priority of the Labour government on the foundations that have been laid over the last two years on the basis of our 2024 manifesto. But refocusing and reprioritising the government to these bigger, bolder outcomes and missions."
[translation: we're going to rewrite the Labour manifesto without the backing of a general election win]

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UtopiaPlanitia · 19/07/2026 18:20

I found an article, by a Belfast-based journalist, assessing the options for a Burnham government, the analysis is informed by Britain’s government of N Ireland over the decades.

Having lived through those decades in NI, I do find that GB politics is increasingly resembling the politics and social dynamics I grew up with.

I thought posters here might find the article of interest too.

https://unherd.com/2026/07/burnham-faces-an-insurgent-britain/

We may ask what happened to the broadly pacific, affluent and content mainland Britain of the Nineties, but no answer that does not include the consequences of Labour rule can suffice. We live in the country Blair dreamed up, which the Tories reified. A heatwave is now as regular a summer occurrence in Britain as a communal riot, and the conjunction of the two presents a predictable strategic risk to a Westminster government. If the incoming prime minister can get through August without a mainland repeat of last month’s Belfast disturbances, he can count himself lucky — or luckier than Starmer, at any rate.

…The Burnham project, like all enthusiasms of the current Westminster state, is fundamentally a conservative one. It aims to shore up the Fabian experiments of its predecessors, like a bucket-hatted covers band recapturing the magic of Labour’s greatest Nineties hits, and add some extra of its own — though the restive audience seems unlikely to welcome his new material. Government by Radio 6 dad is as doubtfully appealing a project as rule by Matrix Chambers: the people are already moving elsewhere.

…. But if the odds against Burnham’s success are daunting, so are those facing Reform. Both Burnham and Farage represent, to their respective supporters, last-ditch gambles before the abyss. Mainland Britain is already a more turbulent country than that of the early Seventies: it is difficult to see any plausible route for Burnham to make it less so in the years, or months, between his coronation and the next election.

Burnham faces an insurgent Britain

https://unherd.com/2026/07/burnham-faces-an-insurgent-britain/

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 19/07/2026 19:05

UtopiaPlanitia · 19/07/2026 18:20

I found an article, by a Belfast-based journalist, assessing the options for a Burnham government, the analysis is informed by Britain’s government of N Ireland over the decades.

Having lived through those decades in NI, I do find that GB politics is increasingly resembling the politics and social dynamics I grew up with.

I thought posters here might find the article of interest too.

https://unherd.com/2026/07/burnham-faces-an-insurgent-britain/

We may ask what happened to the broadly pacific, affluent and content mainland Britain of the Nineties, but no answer that does not include the consequences of Labour rule can suffice. We live in the country Blair dreamed up, which the Tories reified. A heatwave is now as regular a summer occurrence in Britain as a communal riot, and the conjunction of the two presents a predictable strategic risk to a Westminster government. If the incoming prime minister can get through August without a mainland repeat of last month’s Belfast disturbances, he can count himself lucky — or luckier than Starmer, at any rate.

…The Burnham project, like all enthusiasms of the current Westminster state, is fundamentally a conservative one. It aims to shore up the Fabian experiments of its predecessors, like a bucket-hatted covers band recapturing the magic of Labour’s greatest Nineties hits, and add some extra of its own — though the restive audience seems unlikely to welcome his new material. Government by Radio 6 dad is as doubtfully appealing a project as rule by Matrix Chambers: the people are already moving elsewhere.

…. But if the odds against Burnham’s success are daunting, so are those facing Reform. Both Burnham and Farage represent, to their respective supporters, last-ditch gambles before the abyss. Mainland Britain is already a more turbulent country than that of the early Seventies: it is difficult to see any plausible route for Burnham to make it less so in the years, or months, between his coronation and the next election.

Thanks for that, really interesting perspective!

I agree about the hot weather and the riots, but mainly in the past 15 years. Another thing we can (possibly) blame the internet and smartphones for. (Well, I do anyway)

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Grammarnut · 20/07/2026 17:30

Some of his ideas on re-nationalising utilities I agree with - private companies have milked the population for too long.
However, Corbyn was wheeled out this afternoon and asked about Gaza and said that previous government was wrong to back Israel which was committing genocide (they are not - what happened to Gaza does not meet the definition of genocide i.e. no intent). This is as worrying as Burnham's views on gender ideology. Also, wheeling out Corbyn taints any good ideas Burnham might have, guilt by association.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/07/2026 17:41

BridgetYourFortyDaysAreUp · 19/07/2026 12:15

Politics latest: 'Privatisation of water hasn't worked', key Burnham ally Lucy Powell says | Politics News | Sky News

Some choice words from Lucy Powell (Labour Deputy Leader) this morning [my bold]

MPs 'do need to dial invective down' in politics

"But we have to deal with the threat. And the threat comes from this increasingly polarised, increasingly personalised, sometimes quite toxic debate in this country, which is absolutely amplified and made worse in many cases on social media in the way in which social media operates.

"And we do need to dial that down. We need to disagree agreeably once again, if that is possible, and respect the fact that we do have differing views from each other, but we can do that respectfully."

[does that actually mean "respectfully" or "women budge over for the men... respectfully", Lucy?]

The Manifesto:

"This is a project and a mission over time, reorienting the focus and the priority of the Labour government on the foundations that have been laid over the last two years on the basis of our 2024 manifesto. But refocusing and reprioritising the government to these bigger, bolder outcomes and missions."
[translation: we're going to rewrite the Labour manifesto without the backing of a general election win]

Relevant to what we’re talking about on another thread, I think.

fromorbit · 20/07/2026 19:13

Very significant

Shabana Mahmood has held onto her old job, having been reappointed home secretary

Mahmood is the most prominent sex realist in government keeping her job is a good sign.

Former defence secretary John Healey is moving into No 11, with the top job as chancellor
The former energy secretary Ed Miliband will take over as foreign secretary
Shabana Mahmood has held onto her old job, having been reappointed home secretary
Former transport secretary Louise Haigh is back in the prime minister's top team, serving as first secretary of state and chancellor of the duchy of Lancaster

Haigh is also sceptical of gender ideas so a good sign. See her response to Cass Review:

https://labourlist.org/2024/04/trans-gender-policy-stance-cass-review-report-labour/

Need to keep an eye on other appointments to see where wind is blowing. Thus far it doesn't look too bad.

The big question is whether Burnham will abandon the conversion therapy bill and puberty blockers.

Haigh suggests Labour should be ‘safe space’ for gender-critical but not transphobic views – LabourList

Labour shadow cabinet member Louise Haigh has suggested Labour should be a "safe space" for gender-critical but not transphobic opinions, amid fresh party tensions over…

https://labourlist.org/2024/04/trans-gender-policy-stance-cass-review-report-labour/

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