Shelagh Fogarty addressing the Andy Burnham issue

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...on LBC now.

So sure they’re right to give away the rights of people whose sex they DO NOT SHARE.

You can be sure that men would complain (complain? who are we kidding, they would riot) if it were their own rights being given away without due process!

I might listen on catch up if I can stomach it but this caller embodies something I hate. She sees TW as pitiful, she feels sorry for them and she wants to feel good about herself. It’s pathetic.

Yes massively.

I should imagine that caller's description of trans people as a glitch of nature would have ruffled a few feathers though!

So no call from ‘Emily’ from Brighton. He usually phoned in and talks poor pish about his husband.

It's okay, I can probably crochet my own.
I may need rather a lot, I've used up a couple just reading MN this evening.

And yet the likes of AB and KS, despite insisting that they are women and that it's 'only a penis' would run an absolute mile if one ever tried to kiss them. In fact, they're so frightened on them that they don't want to share the gents with them. That's the real reason for all this. They cannot stand the thought of a bloke in 10 denier tights, a short skirt and a bad wig staring at them whilst they use the urinal.

She is absolutely perfect. Love SF and everything she embodies

It’s 90% of these women. The other 10% are unhinged.

Absolutely love Sheila on this subject. She’s so knowledgeable and puts many other journos to shame.

I'd never thought about it like that before, but I think you may be right.

Women should not be popping champagne corks and drinking in daytime, not when there is housework to be done.

How different the BBC could have been eh?

I'm torn between agreeing that you're onto something with this theory, and struggling to believe that either of them have given this issue that much thought. Although maybe it's a visceral reaction on their part rather than a thought as such

It’s reminiscent of the outrage over JKR’s restaurant lunch with lots of prominent GC women. Rosie Jones’ “mad, angry cry” over it.

Men do not want perverts in their toilets, that's the bottom line.

I think it's the visceral reaction.
Which, of course, what with them being 'progressives', they have to dress up in 'correct' language.

I've gone right off Andy Burnham.

Shelagh is amazing. I wish I had the courage she has.

See “Dr” Helen Webberley has endorsed Andy Burnham’s campaign? in any sane world, that really ought to be the kiss of death.

'It’s reminiscent of the outrage over JKR’s restaurant lunch with lots of prominent GC women'

I would have given my eye teeth to be at that lunch. They had a private room at the River Cafe and the wine was FLOWING 😁
Imagine a boozy lunch with JKR, Julie Bindel, Helen Joyce, Kathleen Stock, Maya Forstater.....

Heaven 😊

😱

That was so funny. All this stuff is so revealing about the way men - and indeed some women - think about women. We must centre men's needs at every turn. If men want something that belongs to us, we must give it to them. If men are sad because they are told they can't have the thing they want that belongs to us, we must on no account be happy about it or celebrate it. If by some weird freak, we have money to spend, we mustn't ever spend it on doing nice things with other women, like eating out or drinking champagne. In fact, taking any pleasure in life is completely verboten when there are sad men around that we should be paying attention to.

It would seem so, RC.

Women need to start matching the energy of these TW - go into the male toilets, preferably in 2's or more, and just take up space. Wear beards, wear male-type clothes, but be very obviously not male.

Once it starts unnerving and inconveniencing the men and making them feel uncomfortable then we'll start to see change. The suffragettes wouldn't take this sitting down and neither should we.

Oh good heavens, I didn't know we'd managed to upset Rosie Jones of all people.