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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Shelagh Fogarty addressing the Andy Burnham issue

75 replies

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 14:06

...on LBC now.

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 14:46

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 14:42

You do brilliantly on here! If we don't contact the programme they think we're not bothered and it gets dominated by the sad- voiced men

Shelagh's great with the sad-voiced men though! I love to hear her confront them with facts and reality, it's as if no one's ever done that before

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 14:54

She quoted and laughed at Lammy "transwomen can grow a cervix"! (as did a caller) Grin

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:54

murasaki · 20/05/2026 14:15

Thats true, it's the mark of a big green meanie to celebrate nominally getting our stuff back at the expense of #sadtimes for some peculiar men.

Mea culpa!

I’ll be sure to go around telling the FA Cup winners to stop celebrating because it’s upsetting the other side.

oh do feck off Andy Burnham

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 14:56

Oh god, handmaiden caller now Angry

TheseWordsAreMine · 20/05/2026 14:56

Now an odd woman saying men can be women. Just not on the outside, because of a glitch of mother nature.

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 14:57

See, this is what has been promulgated for years now, the "born in the wrong body" lie !

Shelagh pushing back hard though!

Filhote · 20/05/2026 14:58

Oh Lordy this current caller 🙈

TheseWordsAreMine · 20/05/2026 14:59

This caller is insane. There really is a severe mental illness in society now and it's even seen in the government.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 15:01

OK, that's Wes out of the way...

Back to caller Claudia - why are you so nasty about transwomen Shelagh? You seem to have no empathy for their biological glitch. They know on the inside they're women, mother nature sometimes gets things wrong. Sometimes a woman might be born with a penis.

SF: Do you mean intersex?
Caller: No. It's complex.
SF: Do you think every transwoman is a sex nature error? (Great question Shelagh!)
Caller: Well, yes
SF: But you're just guessing! Cass review, social contagion, social pressure etc.
Caller: TW in female toilets, a glitch of mother nature, organs don't match what they know they are on the inside, it's complex, need empathy
SF: Don't all of those things mean that TWAW is going too far?
Caller: We need to protect TW who are women, biological mismatch
SF: HOW DO YOU KNOW??? You're throwing the be-kind thing at me
Caller: You said you didn't want Katie in the female loos with you.
SF: If Katie is a TW she's a man
Caller: Biology gets things wrong
SF: There is no evidence of that.

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GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 15:03

SF: You've decided in your wisdom you know all about their biology when you don't, and then I as a woman have to move over for them. Why?
Caller: It's men we need to worry about
SF: New social consensus IS needed, but we need conversations and girls and women SHOULD NOT be asked to move out of the way or not to celebrate with champagne
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Filhote · 20/05/2026 15:06

Oh fucksake Wes Streeting and his self indulgent speech shortened the time Shelagh had. It was pretty terrifying listening to Claudia.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 15:08

Shelagh had that tone of voice my mum had years ago when she used to say "I've had it UP TO HERE" 😁

Anyway, that's it for the Andy Burnham comments. It's a pity Wes Streeting's speech took up so much time but Shelagh is well worth listening to nevertheless.

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BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 15:10

I love her. Just love her. She gets monstered on TwiX by the usual suspects.

TheseWordsAreMine · 20/05/2026 15:12

Filhote · 20/05/2026 15:06

Oh fucksake Wes Streeting and his self indulgent speech shortened the time Shelagh had. It was pretty terrifying listening to Claudia.

Streeting is a total wrong'un too.

Bonden · 20/05/2026 15:18

Yay for Shelagh and I’ve got a barely used “fuck off Andy” if anyone runs short in the coming weeks . . .

Pleasealexa · 20/05/2026 15:22

KnottyAuty · 20/05/2026 14:54

I’ll be sure to go around telling the FA Cup winners to stop celebrating because it’s upsetting the other side.

oh do feck off Andy Burnham

Perfect response..AB, bet he isn't brave enough to tell Man City not to celebrate in Manchester as it will cause hurty feelings to Utd fans. Or is it just women you object to??
A woman called in defending Trans, cos it's all so "complex"..I involuntary shouted FO..causing DH to check what had happened.

Dahliadaily · 20/05/2026 15:25

Shelagh Fogarty has been consistently excellent on this. She’s my favourite journalist. Doesn’t arrogantly wing it like her male colleagues.

Ereshkigalangcleg · 20/05/2026 15:33

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 14:08

AB: Women shouldn't have popped champagne corks when the judgment came in

Fuck off Andy.

nicepotoftea · 20/05/2026 15:37

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 14:08

AB: Women shouldn't have popped champagne corks when the judgment came in

Because...?

Filhote · 20/05/2026 15:39

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 15:10

I love her. Just love her. She gets monstered on TwiX by the usual suspects.

I do too, absolutely adore her ❤️

nicepotoftea · 20/05/2026 15:45

Caller: It's men we need to worry about

And the difference is?

We really haven't moved on since the days of "Wash your mouth out! How dare you say nice father O'Reilly would do such a thing!"

Lottapianos · 20/05/2026 15:51

I didn't hear any of the show but I listen to Shelagh from time to time and she's fucking brilliant on this issue. It wasn't always the case, but she has seriously done her homework in the past few years (like a proper journalist) and takes no shit now. I wish there were more like her

BoreOfWhabylon · 20/05/2026 16:19

She is always courteous but doesn't put on the special gentle caring voice when talking to TW callers. Unlike just about every male presenter, other than Justin Webb.

GreyskySexRealistsky · 20/05/2026 16:55

To clarify the "popping champagne corks" comment:
It was said in an interview last April with Lewis Goodall, a clip of which Shelagh played on her show.

Andy Burnham: While I respect the fact that the SC has issued its judgment, I also respected what the judge said who introduced it, in that he said it shouldn't be one side defeating another and I think in the last week, ten days or so since the judgment was passed that is what is happening and there's a risk...
Lewis Goodall: We saw women's groups popping champagne corks outside the court
AB: That's what I mean, that's what I'm saying
LG: So you think that has happened...they've treated it too much as a victory?
AB: Yes, the risk therefore arises of a marginalised community being even further marginalised or feeling quite anxious about things

To which Shelagh commented earlier today on her show:
...and by the way, to both Andy Burnham and to my good friend Lewis Goodall, so what that women popped a few champagne corks after they'd won a court victory? It's been a long, hard road for women to protect their single sex rights. Centuries long, but more recently decades long on this particular issue why shouldn't they pop a few champagne corks? Why not? Celebrate! Why not? They'd won something, they'd fought hard for it, they'd lost jobs, they'd lost reputations, they'd been accused of all kinds of skullduggery when all they were doing was saying 'you know that law that passed that protected women's rights and other people's rights on sex-based grounds, can we keep it?' The Supreme Court said 'yes, you can. Yes, you can keep it. It isn't changed, nothing's changed.' And just because they celebrated with a few champagne corks suddenly what are they, the witches of Eastwick??

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ItsCoolForCats · 20/05/2026 19:46

Haha I have just listened. I loved how Sheila dealt with Claudia at the end. She really is done with being told to be kind.