Kelly v Leonardo Employment Tribunal Thread 3

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Ms BM Kelly v Leonardo UK Limited Employment Tribunal – hearing Case number: 8001497/2024

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Abbreviations:
C or MK - Claimant, Maria Kelly
NC - Naomi Cunningham, barrister for C
KW - Katy Wedderburn, solicitor for C
R or L - Respondent. Leonardo UK
ST - Susanne Tanner KC, barrister for R
J - Judge
P - Panel member
GC - gender critical
GI - gender identity
AL - Andrew R Letton VP People Shared Services Leonardo - respondent witness

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Thread 1 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5416903-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-29th-september-10am?page=1

Thread 2 https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5420656-kelly-v-leonardo-employment-tribunal-thread-2?page=1

I've said it before and I'll say it again: the floor-mounted toilet is clearly discriminatory to men, as it fails to take into account the specificity of their physiology. I'm surprised men are not already campaigning for rights to their own spaces, and toilet design, to meet their specific needs.

Couldn't somebody design a different kind of toilet, which could be wall-mounted
at a height appropriate for use by men?

These could perhaps be located in a room specifically for men to use, labelled 'GENTS' or something similar, thereby avoiding the injustice of forcing men to attempt - often unsuccessfully, it would appear from evidence like Namechanged555's - to use inappropriate floor-mounted toilets in unisex/gender neutral toilets.

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Isn't everyone polite, calm and reasonable? With a judge who is the opposite of bossy and yet clearly in control.

Totally agree. I like this judge, she's personable, feels like she's on top of things but treats all parties as adults and with respect. From memory, I quite liked how ST came across in the earlier session as well. It was respectful, rather than petty and combative.

Wham! What a way for NC to start.

I see NC is wearing what I'm sure is a carefully curated scarf...

Could someone describe, please, for those who can't see?

@OnAShooglyPeg Yes, I agree.

It's a stripey green and purple. Quite thin stripes, so from a distance with the small camera it looks mostly green, but it was clearer earlier in the call.

I got kicked out, now I'm WFTCHTJ

Thank you, I'd imagine that looks very nice on her.

anyone else been kicked out twice :(

I so wish we had a transcript of exactly what NC is saying. TT are wonderful, and I am very grateful to them, but they are not stenographers.
A clear summary of recent and current events.
In her opinion.
And mine.

I need to make a T shirt which says, "Cognitive and Social Heist."

Also " runs into absurdity"

Is that not what urinals are?

Sorry you were being facetious lol....

We're just as crap at aiming for the wall mounted ones to be honest. It's not so much the design of the receptacle, as the design of the tool used for aiming that's the problem.

Oi! Don't call me a tool! 😉

Petra, I bet his name was PETE

why am I not getting in :(

Are you joining with the same name as when you applied for remote access?

yes

Have you tried different browsers?

still no luck

I'm still WFTCHTJ as well, I think because I joined late

@sassanach

You could ring 0131 226 5584 and explain which tribunal you are trying to access and ask for help.

can anyone who is in provide updates seeing as TT are not covering it today?