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Custody officer job withdrawn for GC beliefs - Gribbon (SP legal team) is his solicitor

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InterrobangsArePureBias · 02/08/2025 11:12

I wonder how many more of such actions will be launched. To adapt Jimmy Doyle’s phrase, “the spectacle of this nation’s [lanyard classes] enforcing moral auto-lobotomy as a condition of entry to [employment]”.

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as ‘she’ or ‘her’ has launched legal action against one of the UK’s largest security firms.
Army veteran David Toshack, 50, was dismissed by GEOAmey during a training course only days before taking up a role as a prison custody officer (PCO) at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The father of three told a safeguarding workshop that he would not be comfortable using a transgender inmates’ preferred gender pronouns and expressed his belief that a man could not become a woman.
It sparked a horrified reaction from bosses at the firm, which employs thousands of justice workers across the UK, who said his views were against the law and company policy.

He said: ‘I’m just a normal, working class person who’s never been in trouble with the law before, not got a criminal record, lived a good life. I’ve been prepared to go and fight and die for my country, and then I have come back here and been told that there’s certain things you can’t think or can’t say.’

https://archive.is/bxjqC

Original story about David Toshack in Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

I was sacked for refusing to call trans prisoners 'she', says officer

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as 'she' or 'her' has launched legal action against one of the UK's largest security firms.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

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MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:42

From TT

DH - now moving on to your employment with GA, it was your training course, it was a Holiday Inn, were you put up in the hotel
DT - yes, it was residential
DH - a hire car was provided?
DT - yes
DH - other people on the course
DT - yes, 10/12 people, equal number male female

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:43

MyAmpleSheep · 28/01/2026 11:42

You’re doing a great job.

Thank you!

😊

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:44

From TT

DH - did you go to visit a prison
DT - we went for restraint training, met up with another cohort
DH - there was someone you met - Stephen Weir (?) in your cohort
DT - no met up at restraint training.
DH - who was your supervisor?
DT - Chris Hutton who was leading training

DH - so what is this document
DT - it's like a workbook to mark progress, what did you do in that week, a wee bit about how you did.
DH - the I in ITC is 'Initial Training Course' to correct myself, now we've got a list of documents, handouts, starter packs, during the training

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:45

From TT

you were provided with a lot of material and equipment as well. Dates are dates you were provided and your signature?
DT - yes, those are the dates and my signature
DH - to give an overview of what was happening during the six weeks; training module sign off, various names

SternJoyousBeev2 · 28/01/2026 11:46

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:41

They haven't had a mid-morning break.

I think she is counting the break to fix the sound issues.

SidewaysOtter · 28/01/2026 11:47

Well, he seems very sensible and clear. Good for him and all power to his elbow. Will be very interesting to see what defence is offered…

ickky · 28/01/2026 11:48

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wantmorenow · 28/01/2026 11:48

I emailed for access code and have just received it back within the hour. Fantastic admin edinburgh courts :-)

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:49

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and dates, also signed, this is essentially giving us the headline titles of the various classes or modules you were undertaking.
DT - yes
DH - there are handouts referred to here, the 'personal escort handbook' given to you,
DT - correct
DH - and do we see if you look at

module - IMD 8, 'Equality and Diversity' that was done in November 2024,
DT - yes
DH - modules on prisoner welfare care plans, and personal escort records, both in early December
DT - yes.
DH - that's all I wanted to draw from that.

HamSandwichIrnBru · 28/01/2026 11:49

It's interesting that they looked at his SM after they sacked him. It's almost like remembering a "patient safety incident" after suspending a nurse 🙃

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:50

From TT

DH - I want to ask you about some documents after that, a course evaluation form - this is your evaluation of how you found the course, week by week, were these discussed with you
DT - I thought this was just for our own reflections, didn't happen every week, but we would sit

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:53

From TT

down at the end of the week with the trainers, informally and have a wee chat with them.

DH - referring to interviews by trainers with attendees, to get their views and any concerns
DT - yes
DH - two names here, Shelly and Chris Hutton, who fills those boxes in

DT - I think that's CH's signature,
DH - 2 signature yours and his
DT - yes
DH - so you say this didn't happen every week
DT - the chat maybe not, but we turned in our folders every Friday and then would get them back on Monday.
DH - we see no issues or concerns raised by you

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:54

From TT

or CH in these documents week 1, and then week 2, another person, but no issues or concerns, consistent with your recollection
DT - yes
J - were you going home at the weekend or staying
DT - going home
DH - week 3, no issues, consistent with your assessment

SidewaysOtter · 28/01/2026 11:54

HamSandwichIrnBru · 28/01/2026 11:49

It's interesting that they looked at his SM after they sacked him. It's almost like remembering a "patient safety incident" after suspending a nurse 🙃

Or raking back through a WhatsApp chat in order to find something - anything - with which to discredit a nurse…

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:55

From TT

DT - consistent with my recollection but not my signature,
DH - may have been a week when it was handed in
DT - yes, no problem with that
DH - no issues week 4, consistent with your recollection
DT - absolutely
DH - week 5, trainers, John Campbell, Shelly, Lee, no issues or

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 28/01/2026 11:56

HamSandwichIrnBru · 28/01/2026 11:49

It's interesting that they looked at his SM after they sacked him. It's almost like remembering a "patient safety incident" after suspending a nurse 🙃

A**e covering!

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 11:57

From TT

concerns stated, consistent with your recollection
DT - yes
DH - we will come to week 6 in time, but I want to wind back to the start of the course, do you recollect there being any discussion of matters such as DEI,
DT - there was a distinct recollection that it was raised on

SidewaysOtter · 28/01/2026 11:58

AuntieMsDamsonCrumble · 28/01/2026 11:56

A**e covering!

London Rules, as anyone who has watched/read Slow Horses will know…

HamSandwichIrnBru · 28/01/2026 11:58

SidewaysOtter · 28/01/2026 11:54

Or raking back through a WhatsApp chat in order to find something - anything - with which to discredit a nurse…

Indeed! I wonder whether he's also considered a "racist" for daring to mention grooming gangs.

ickky · 28/01/2026 11:59

I entirely agree with his description of DEI, it being about exclusion rather than inclusion.

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 12:00

From TT

the first day of the course.

DH - was this whole cohort ?
DT - just the group in the Holiday Inn in Kilbride
DH - who brought up DEI
DT - CH, he asked 'what is DEI', no one put their hand up so I waited and then spoke. I told him I didn't agree with DEI, it was coming from a

good place but wasn't about diversity it was about conformity, if you didn't agree with it you would be punished, not promoted, it was about characteristics not competence,
DH - what did CH say
DT - he said I agree with some of what you say, it's gone too far in some areas

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 12:01

From TT

DH - did he raise any concerns
DT - not that I recall
DH - what happened next
DT - he asked the question again,
DH - did anyone else express views
DT - I've found this before, once one person speaks up others will do so, another student named Ian said literally 'what he said'

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 12:04

From TT

DH - what was the tone of this discussion
DT - no clash, open exchange of ideas
DH - was more time spent on exploring these matters at that stage
DT - nothing else that stuck in my mind, nothing else significant
DH - other things that you were doing on Day 1, there were other

things you recall?
DT - no, getting measured up for uniforms, getting kit etc.
DH - I'm trying to go week by week, if can't recall specific point in time, I can rephrase the question
DT - nods
DH - anything else in week 1 about equality or protected characteristics (PCs)

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 12:04

From TT

DT - not that I recall
DH - lots of practical stuff in week 1
DT - yes, handcuffing, working with prisoners
DH - anything in week 2
DT - what I recall about week 2, we were in the prison, learning about restraint and prisoner handling

MyrtleLion · 28/01/2026 12:07

From TT

DH - did the issue of trans come up in Week 2?
DT - I don't remember if it was Week 2 or Week 3 but there were some specific conversations about it.
DH - what was the first one you remember
DT - trainers told stories about notorious cases, about one trans prisoner who bit their

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