Custody officer job withdrawn for GC beliefs - Gribbon (SP legal team) is his solicitor

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I wonder how many more of such actions will be launched. To adapt Jimmy Doyle’s phrase, “the spectacle of this nation’s [lanyard classes] enforcing moral auto-lobotomy as a condition of entry to [employment]”.

A prison custody officer who was sacked for saying he would not address male-born transgender inmates as ‘she’ or ‘her’ has launched legal action against one of the UK’s largest security firms.
Army veteran David Toshack, 50, was dismissed by GEOAmey during a training course only days before taking up a role as a prison custody officer (PCO) at Kirkcaldy Sheriff Court.
The father of three told a safeguarding workshop that he would not be comfortable using a transgender inmates’ preferred gender pronouns and expressed his belief that a man could not become a woman.
It sparked a horrified reaction from bosses at the firm, which employs thousands of justice workers across the UK, who said his views were against the law and company policy.
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He said: ‘I’m just a normal, working class person who’s never been in trouble with the law before, not got a criminal record, lived a good life. I’ve been prepared to go and fight and die for my country, and then I have come back here and been told that there’s certain things you can’t think or can’t say.’

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Original story about David Toshack in Daily Mail: https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14963309/Prison-custody-officer-sacked-refusing-call-male-born-trans-prisoners-her.html

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DT - Adam and Eve, when you're born, for millenia, what determines your sex is your observable parts, for example a penis. There are people with DSDS but that's a tiny percentage doesn't change male/female
MM - you were asked yesterday about people who changed their bodies

Morning all.

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and you said that's not right. What's not right about it.
DT - Regardless of what changes you make to your body, is it a mental health problem, is it a social contagion, changing the outside doesn't change the person or their sex.

MM - you said 'I don't believe that is how

'it' should be dealt with it. What is the 'it'.
DT - the issue of transgender
MM - how should it be dealt with
DT - through therapy
MM - what kind of therapy
DT - I'm not an expert but I believe it's a mental health issue and that's how it should be dealt with

Morning!

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MM - your beliefs came into greater focus in last 10-15 years, do you remember saying that?
DT - yes
MM - you said it was pushed out into the mainstream, can you elaborate by that
DT - I never remember the question of whats a man or a woman ever coming up in the past, when I was

growing up. Nobody ever talked about it, we all knew what a man and a woman was.
MM - what has pushed it out into the mainstream, or who
DT - hard to say, lots of layers of it, certainly been pushed through social media, where it's come from and how I don't know, there are

A reminder that I have a 30 minute call at 2pm.

If someone else could paste at that time, it would be great. Otherwise I'll paste in big batches when I get back.

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people much more intelligent than me talking about this.
MM - what are those layers
DT - it's difficult for me to say sir, I'm not the right person
MM - lets go back to your childhood, you didn't hear about it or discuss it
DT - well the only trans you heard about was

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transvestites who were men dressed in women's clothes, and transsexuals who had surgeries and stuff. But we never heard 'transgender' thats only become a thing in the last 10/15 years.
MM - you say you've only heard about it the last 10/15 years can you expand on that

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DT - it only seems to have exploded in the last 10 years or so, people out on marches, all over the media and social media
MM - could part of the explanation be that people are feeling more comfortable to talk about it and be open about it, that's why you're hearing that

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DT - maybe
MM - homosexuality was illegal and hidden in the 50s and 60s and now can be more open about it. Can you see the parallels there?
DT - perhaps
MM - what did you mean by 'everyone has to accept it'
DT - I've sat in training and meetings, Stonewall training

I really feel for DT, he seems so sincere and sad.

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where you didn't dare to speak up, that hashtag #nodebate , you had to accept it, you couldn't speak up
MM - you said beautiful young women who changed themselves to their detriment, talk about that
DT - I've seen pictures of them, taking hormones, changing how they dress, its so

sad to see, it's like they've been told there's something wrong with them.
MM - who's telling them, they wouldn't be seeking the drugs and surgeries if they didn't believe that
DT - I wish I knew, everyone who's pushing this ideology, I wish I could have inoculated my daughter

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against it, taken her out of it
MM - so you think the social contagion creates mental illness and then leads to mental illness, that leads to seeking drugs, surgeries, etc
DT - I don't know if its the social contagion or if they already have mental health issues, I've heard that

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many have other issues, self harm, autistism, other issues, listed to a podcast by Pam (Lionel?) Shriver.
MM - what is the research that Shriver did to come these conclusions
DT - I don't remember, it was some time ago
MM - so are you saying that the vast majority of trans

are mentally ill and subject to this social contagion, are you making vast generalisations about trans people.
DT - what is the chance that 3 girls, best friends, in the same class are BITWB
MM - so you're saying the vast majority of trans people are confused, vulnerable

"DT - I wish I knew, everyone who's pushing this ideology, I wish I could have inoculated my daughter against it, taken her out of it". 😥😥

I don't know what point MM is trying to make, I think it is well established that the majority of the young girl cohort are either autistic or have suffered from abuse.

Why is he asking for citations.

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and mentally ill.
DT - I believe that is generally the case.
MM - is there any research that supports your viewpoint ?
DT - I've watched hours of debate
MM - I'm not talking about debates, I'm talking about medical scientific research

Good stop by the Judge
Wanker move of legal position by GA

Because he can say the views are unreasonable.

But DT shouldn't be expected to have an academic level of knowledge. Men and women can't change sex. End of.

This is so incredibly sad

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DT - I'm sure that what I have been watching, they were referencing what studies they had done and were relying on.
MM - lets go on to your social media posts, you described your style as satirical and mocking, <identifying DT posts provided to FSU>.

He is trying to get the witness to say something “unacceptable” on the trans issue so that he can then be attacked as biased & transphobic.

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<bundle shuffling>
MM - posts have been wrongly labelled in the bundle, correcting the page numbers. Turn to page 646.... but before I ask you about it, we're not allowed to ask you about legal advice you had, so I'm not asking you about that. What did the FSU ask you for?

Making tea. BRB.

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DT - they asked me to send them the 'worst' stuff I had posted, what they might term as 'extreme'.

MM - the Rs have not called you an extremist'
DT - they called my posts extremist, GA called my posts extermist
MM - what does fist bump and bicep emoji convey

DT - agreement and strength
MM - ref to two people as apparent male sexual deviants one interviewing the other, you used a laughing emoji, do you find it humorous
DT - you know that saying, if you don't laugh, you'll cry. No, I don't find contacting underage boys for sex

humorous.
MM - did you refer to other person as a sexual deviant because they were a man who trying to dress as a woman and failing
DT - no, that's a man, everyone knows thats a man, and he is an autogynephile, (AGP),
MM - so you think all men who transition are AGPs?