Trade Union Responses - Civil Service

[thinkningaboutit]

PCS - the Public and Commercial Services Union have sent an email to members today stating the decision by the Supreme Court is ‘appalling and devastating’.

Are there any members of FDA or Prospect that has insight to their position and reaction?

Is that all members?

I am in PCS and haven't received that (yet)

I’ve been looking out for a response from Prospect but haven’t had / seen one yet.

If I get one I’ll share here.

Ditto

I was a member of PCS and I left because of their stance on women. I knew if I got into bother they wouldn’t support me, so I voted with my feet. Shame, I think every employee should be in a union.

It was a branch email but said they were copying from the Group Executive Committee. I was surprised at the tone, there was no wiggle room, I wonder if this is a departure from the national group.

I am a retired member of Prospect and had heard nothing, so thought, so far so good.
My son, still working, is an ordinary member, and has just informed me that they have had an email offering support to transpeople (transwomen I assume.)

Are there any unions not captured?

As an aside, today I boycotted a bookshop which I would normally support because they had stuck a big trans flag up in their window. Which wasn't there before.

Womens rights in law are 'appalling and devastating' .

Righto.

The branch are pretty unorganised anyway so I’ve been disappointed in other ways but had hoped for existing members they may have at least try to strike a balance.

I'm in Prospect and haven't heard anything.

I don't know whether it was just from the Local Branch of Prospect - it might have been.

Exactly this. These people seem to have no understanding of how offensive their open prioritising of men over women is.

What do we stop?
Women’s rights
When do we stop them?
Now!

That's a bugger. It's my union. May need to leave.

I'm PCS, have been waiting but nothing yet.

Obviously I am not surprised.

I think I will have to leave UCU given the GS Jo Grady's SM tweets from Saturday's pro-trans demo. I knew they were captured but this doubling down is appalling

I am not surprised though - Labour and the Trades Unions grew up together and they were both male dominated.

And all this guff about standing with Transpeople is all about TransWomen found to be most definitely NOT women.

I’ve had something from my union reps that the bit of the public sector I am in haven’t changed their policies. Quick check of the policy shows it doesn’t comply with the Supreme Court decision. Time to start encouraging my employer and the union to comply with equality law I think.

I still haven’t heard from them either. I’d like to think that’s a good sign but…

Highlighting this thread:

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5322533-unison-elections-female-only-seats-are-not-so

showing unison appear to be allowing a male person to stand for a female only seat.

I’m FDA and haven’t seen anything from them yet.

There was a call the other day. I wasn’t on the call but I saw the teams chat, there did look like there was some discussion, although it looked like it was quickly moved to ‘no debate’. I’ll try find out more but looks like PCS aren’t women friendly.

I spoke to a member of Unison about the judgment the other day. He is also in the SNP.

He said the reason these groups get to take over is because so few people actually get involved and come to meetings so it leaves it wide open to groups with an agenda to get in and take over. He told me the SNP had lost about 10% of its membership, mostly women.

I guess one thing he potentially wouldn’t notice is that, when these aggressive men do invade, they often split whatever members are there. Two opposing groups form and the group that feels cowed simply remove themselves. It’s a pattern familiar to anyone who has been targeted by narcissists/bullies in their lifetime.

Very disappointed about PCS as I hadn’t heard much about them being anti-women before, unlike Unison and various others. If the Darlington Nurses union starts a branch for non-nurses, I would absolutely move to them. I’m also currently PCS and haven’t received anything.

I've known parish council members who would agree.

They might not be women friendly now, but we can change that.