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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

NHS Policy Audit - working party

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KnottyAuty · 10/03/2025 13:02

Following on from Thread #23 of the Peggie v NHS Employment Tribunal. Anyone who wants to help with survey/audit of paperwork against the Equality Act protected characteristics please join here 😊

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KnottyAuty · 15/03/2025 17:32

I suppose it depends on how keen everyone is… let’s just get the first pass of the Scottish trusts done and see how it looks?

As far as I’m concerned there are clearly things which breach the “foster good relations” requirement. Other common themes will presumably emerge

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FarriersGirl · 16/03/2025 17:34

@KnottyAuty You should have received the updated version of NHS Forth Valley which means you can delete the previous one. I have a bit of capacity this week to do another, or possibly two if their websites are not too much of a mess!

KnottyAuty · 16/03/2025 17:56

Thanks @FarriersGirl !
Received OK and I have deleted the first entry.

We have 7 trusts in the spreadsheet now, so 7 more to go.
Obviously proving more tricky/timeconsuming than we thought?!

I have Dm'd or been in touch by DM with those who signed up for trusts but haven't yet entered - so they may welcome the offer of help....

Here are our current scores on the doors - I think we are doing well in under a week:

Group 1: @SternlyMatthews
NHS Ayrshire & Arran
NHS Borders
NHS Dumfries & Galloway

Group 2: FarriersGirl
NHS Fife
NHS Forth Valley
NHS Grampian

Group 3: @selffellatingouroborosofhate
NHS Greater Glasgow & Clyde
NHS Highland

Group 4: @ThatPithySheep
NHS Lanarkshire
NHS Orkney

Group 5: Knotty
Shetland
Tayside
Western Isles

Group 6: @TwoLoonsAndASprout
NHS Lothian

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ThatPithySheep · 16/03/2025 20:00

Hi
@TwoLoonsAndASprout has kindly taken Lothian (which was driving me bonkers). I am struggling a bit with time would anyone be able to take Orkney? It's quite a small one and I'll do Lanarkshire

ThatPithySheep · 16/03/2025 20:03

From an initial overview of the three trusts in Group 4, they do tend to use the correct PCs, but there is a definite bias towards LGBTQ++++ with that group pretty much just being T.

They also seem to use documents and EqIA from Highlands which are pretty TWAW heavy and only really consider the policy impact on the T not the other PCs

KnottyAuty · 16/03/2025 20:11

Thanks!
if you can look for single sex policies that would be great - because they’ve been modified to be mixed sex by stealth! It’s going to be the easiest concept/deception for people to grasp - and has been a specific SG promise which is being broken

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KnottyAuty · 16/03/2025 20:13

ThatPithySheep · 16/03/2025 20:00

Hi
@TwoLoonsAndASprout has kindly taken Lothian (which was driving me bonkers). I am struggling a bit with time would anyone be able to take Orkney? It's quite a small one and I'll do Lanarkshire

I’ll try to pick up Orkney but it may be later this week

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Chrysanthemum5 · 16/03/2025 20:47

Hi I can do orkney probably tomorrow if that's ok?

KnottyAuty · 16/03/2025 21:02

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/03/2025 20:47

Hi I can do orkney probably tomorrow if that's ok?

Thank you! I’ll Dm you the link

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 21:34

Is the link called Once for Scotland Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Policy in the page at https://www.nhsggc.scot/staff-recruitment/hrconnect/policies-and-staff-governance/polices/equality-diversity-and-gender-based-policies/#equality-diversity-and-human-rights broken for everyone else, or just me?

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/03/2025 21:36

It works for me is this the link you want?

www.nhsggc.org.uk/media/266027/gender-reassignment-policy-review-2021-revised.pdf

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/03/2025 21:37

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 21:34

Is the link called Once for Scotland Equality, Diversity and Inclusion Policy in the page at https://www.nhsggc.scot/staff-recruitment/hrconnect/policies-and-staff-governance/polices/equality-diversity-and-gender-based-policies/#equality-diversity-and-human-rights broken for everyone else, or just me?

Seems fine for me. What are you getting when you click?

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 21:41

Chrysanthemum5 · 16/03/2025 21:36

No, the one above it.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 21:45

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/03/2025 21:37

Seems fine for me. What are you getting when you click?

It's a link within that page that's broken for me. I've put it in the pink box.

I'm getting:

Secure Connection Failed
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem

NHS Policy Audit - working party
Chrysanthemum5 · 16/03/2025 21:49

Yes broken for me it just won't load

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/03/2025 21:49

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 21:45

It's a link within that page that's broken for me. I've put it in the pink box.

I'm getting:

Secure Connection Failed
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem

Edited

Ah, no that link doesn’t work for me either.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 16/03/2025 21:53

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 21:45

It's a link within that page that's broken for me. I've put it in the pink box.

I'm getting:

Secure Connection Failed
The connection to the server was reset while the page was loading. The page you are trying to view cannot be shown because the authenticity of the received data could not be verified. Please contact the website owners to inform them of this problem

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Could this be it?

www.gov.scot/publications/consultation-nhsscotland-once-scotland-workforce-policies/pages/3/

KnottyAuty · 16/03/2025 21:54

I think Once for Scotland is a source of policies that all Trusts can refer to - in theory so they all say the same. Although in practice it seems like they are all use different docs?

I found this from 2020 which seems very relevant:
https://www.theyworkforyou.com/sp/?id=2020-03-04.12.0

Single-sex Exemptions to Equality Act 2010 (Hospital Wards)

– in the Scottish Parliament at 4 March 2020

https://www.theyworkforyou.com/sp/?id=2020-03-04.12.0

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KnottyAuty · 16/03/2025 21:55

The SG uses this phrase again and again - but it is clearly weasel words where they don't help anyone make it clear:

Again, I stress the Government’s support for the use of single-sex exemption is if it is deemed appropriate and where it is a proportionate means of achieving a legitimate aim.

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selffellatingouroborosofhate · 16/03/2025 23:05

Quite possibly. So Greater Glasgow and Clyde are not only using broken links, the broken links are to policy documents that aren't actually finalised yet and are still being consulted on? Where do I find that clown emoji you all use?

GGC's return is in BTW, now that I've discovered that DMs work again and that's how Knotty was sending them out.

umbel · 17/03/2025 11:21

Anyone need me to pick up any more?

Jimmyneutronsforehead · 17/03/2025 13:01

I'm so behind on the other thread, and I'm absolutely exhausted to my bones at the minute but I am placemarking incase I can be helpful at some point

FarriersGirl · 17/03/2025 17:12

I have some time tomorrow so if someone can let me know one that is outstanding I will endeavour to get it done.

TwoLoonsAndASprout · 17/03/2025 17:28

Nearly done with Lothian - should be able to upload tomorrow.

selffellatingouroborosofhate · 17/03/2025 20:00

Highland is submitted.

I literally scraped Highland and GGC's entire websites to a Linux VM so that I could search the content locally. Despite this, the word of the day is "lacuna".

It's going to take FOIs to get the data I can see is missing out of Highland, which I am reluctant to do because if the FOI team looked on Mumsnet, they could link my real name to this username.

With GGC, I don't even know if the data exists because the broken link could mean "moved" but also could mean "deleted".

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