NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #14

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although once it was in to the second week it was looking like this would not happen. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely was obtainable by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

However, as a result of problems with the livestreaming, apparently, as a result of a very large number of observers, remote public access to the hearing was suspended on Tuesday 11 February. It was suggested that it might be reinstated at some point but don't count on it.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10
Thread 11: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272046-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-11
Thread 12: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272276-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-12
Thread 13: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5272398-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-13

Obviously can't see what is actually happening, but it sounds like NC has him on the ropes.

Am reminded of "Stop it Ben, he's already dead"

NC: It's all about controlling your female colleagues DU: No not interested in that, it's not about that, it's about treating colleagues with respect.

Robot mode. Robot mode. Robot mode. Respect. Respect .Respect. Malfunction.

They said the whole case was unnecessary.....

You might have to go a long way to find anyone who takes that pov now....

Yes I didn't think that the Trust could/ would have said his claims were vexatious!

I did misunderstand.

Does DU have any recognition that this is his current position?

Well, doesn't this just say it all:
(this is after him insisting he didn't want to punish anyone, he just wanted not to have to work with her)

NC You are taking steps to remove her frorm the workplace. DU: No, only not to have to work with her, which, is what we have now

NC: We see emails KS/ED discussing shift adjustments. That's all that was needed? DU: Yes but that's not the respect part. I wanted apology for the harassment. Formal note of it occurring. All parts of process.

NC: There is a bully in this story, but it's not he 50 year old nurse wanting a women's CR to deal with a menstrual flood.

DU: She bullied me. If you are implying I am the bully that's wrong.

NC: No further Qs

J: We will take 5 minute break [BREAK]

End of DU cross examination?

NC: Done your best to end SP 30 year unblemished career, to punish her for standing up to you. DU: No. Interested in getting situation resolved so we can get back to ER work. Interested in justice. Peaceful resolved.

1st half of afternoon TT Tweets

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1889664430989815808.html

Thank God! my bladder is screaming!

Go Naomi. Absolute mic dropping legend.

I'm looking forward to '''Daisy, Daisy...'😉
[2001 A Space Odyssey ref, in case anyone's going whaaaaaaat?']

👏

I think so @hollyblueivy

NC: There is a bully in this story, but it's not he 50 year old nurse wanting a women's CR to deal with a menstrual flood. DU: She bullied me. If you are implying I am the bully that's wrong. NC: No further Qs J: We will take 5 minute break..........

I am crushing so hard. It's inappropriate how much I feel for her 🤣

Is he dead yet?

NC: You are disappointed SP still working.
DU: No, unhappy that harassment not resolved, unhappy dragged through the papers. Am sure SP is competent. Other than her bigoted opinions I have no probs her being at work.

I cannot eyeroll hard enough

ALL HAIL CUNNINGHAM👏

NC: There is a bully in this story, but it's not he 50 year old nurse wanting a women's CR to deal with a menstrual flood.

💯❤

Respect to him means total control.

NC's last statement has just made me cry.

Im sorry to all the long timers here that I took so long to peak. Thank you. Thank you for fighting when we were in the dark looked the other way. Thanks too for all the work on keeping the thread updated.

NC P969 this is Nicola [] BMA adviser. Pls read the 2 paras to yourself.
DU Yes have read
J: A little longer please

NC: You are complaining re the dept unable to guarantee your safety, you feel exposed to risk of encountering SP. Clear indication you are looking for BMA assistance in increasing pressure on board to have SP remove.