NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #11

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Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10

Oh wow he's been talking for about five minutes and my blood pressure is already through the roof.

Am not sure I can actually cope with watching this live, he's so annoying

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His barrister is always so rude and quite insulting to NC.

Thank you first time logging in,

His answers are going to make us all want to chew cushions, aren't they?

There was a question in the last thread about whether Dr U would have been coached or spoken to by JR about how to behave today. Dr U is under oath and won't have been able to speak to the legal team at all.

Thank you

DU - patients regard me, rightly, as a woman

The same GMC that allowed this doctor to re-register under his new name and with 'gender: female'? I wouldn't be too optimistic.

Oh fuck off JR

Object object from JR

God, I’m sure NC has read our posts 🤣.
She’s continuing to make so many points that we have made 😇

yes it is standard, don't worry

Just getting a webpage down message

Jeez. DU will not give an inch for women. Everything NC posits relating to women is redirected to applicable to 'everyone'.

It's hard to understand how he reconciles the importance of him being a women

Huh JR? NC was asking the opposite.

Is JR still talking ….

I'm not sure I can follow this, it is too painful

SR is obviously reading from a prepared statement in this objection

NC - when you're working in A&E some patients will be on drugs, distracted by pain or fear, have eye injury, you may well be right that they read you as a woman don't realise you're trans

BU - specifically you're asking me about patients

NC - you recall I suggested that it's self evident to most who interact with you that you're male. But in A&E there may be a proportion -

JR - I object, irrelevant. Implication is that Dr U is wrongfully seeing patients on false pretences, accusing him of a crime, an assault, a sexual assault. Not an issue in the case. Not a roving public enquiry into the issue of TW in hospitals or single sex spaces, or performing their jobs. Finally suggestion that Dr U is 'obvioulsy a man' was rejected by Judge Tinian(?) as fallacious.

Yes. 100 times this. Muzzle her. Mute her. Tell her to STFU.

JR is clearly riled, she wants her man off the stand

Disgusting and blatant misogyny.

I don't know if I can deal with more of this - his tone and language is so annoying.