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NHS Fife tries to silence nurse - Sandie Peggie vs NHS Fife Health Board and Dr Beth Upton - thread #11

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nauticant · 10/02/2025 23:21

Sandie Peggie, a nurse at Victoria Hospital in Kirkcaldy (VH), has brought claims in the employment tribunal against her employer; Fife Health Board (the Board) and another employee, Dr B Upton. Ms Peggie’s claims are of sexual harassment, harassment related to a protected belief, indirect discrimination and victimisation. Dr Upton claims to be a transwoman, that is observed as male at birth but asserting a female gender identity.

The Employment Tribunal hearing started on Monday 3 February 2025 and was expected to continue for 2 weeks although at the start of the second week getting everything done in this time period was looking less certain. The hearing commenced with Sandie Peggie giving evidence. Dr Beth Upton started giving evidence on Thursday 6 February.

Access to view the hearing remotely can be obtained by sending an email request to [email protected] headed Public Access Request (Peggie v Fife Health Board) 4104864/2024 and requesting access.

The hearing is being live tweeted by https://x.com/tribunaltweets and there's additional information here: https://tribunaltweets.substack.com/p/peggie-vs-fife-health-board-and-dr. This also has threadreaderapp archives of live-tweeting of the sessions of the hearing for those who can't follow on Twitter, for example: archive.is/xkSxy.

An alternative to Twitter is to use Nitter: https://nitter.poast.org/tribunaltweets

Thread 1: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5186317-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse
Thread 2: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5267591-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-thread-2
Thread 3: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268347-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-3
Thread 4: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5268942-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-4
Thread 5: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269149-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-5
Thread 6: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5269635-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-6
Thread 7: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5270365-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-7
Thread 8: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271511-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-8
Thread 9: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271596-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-9
Thread 10: https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5271723-nhs-fife-tries-to-silence-nurse-sandie-peggie-vs-nhs-fife-health-board-and-dr-beth-upton-thread-10

OP posts:
ItsAllGoingToBeFine · 11/02/2025 11:55

SurferRona · 11/02/2025 11:54

What is WFTCHTJ please?

Waiting For The Conference Host To Join

lifeturnsonadime · 11/02/2025 11:55

SurferRona · 11/02/2025 11:54

What is WFTCHTJ please?

Waiting for the conference host to join - basically the wait room to get into the tribunal.

GCITC · 11/02/2025 11:55

SurferRona · 11/02/2025 11:54

What is WFTCHTJ please?

Waiting for the conference host to join. Means you're in the virtual waiting room

exwhyzed · 11/02/2025 11:55

Those who are back in are you in as observers? I've tried a few times to join as an observers but got the grey screen. It only works for me if I join with audio and visual. I obviously am instantly muted and have a lump of pinktac over my camera which is also off.

ickky · 11/02/2025 11:56

TT back in the room but we are all still unable to hear anything.

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 11/02/2025 11:56

I am in as an observer. There aren't many of us in here though, and over 500 in the lobby.

MinervaBoudicca · 11/02/2025 11:56

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 11/02/2025 11:53

Back in! But no sound

can you see pics of the tribunal?
i am still black screen and wftchtj on audio

is it worth staying? is wftchtj a good sign?

GCITC · 11/02/2025 11:56

I assume they are letting people in one at a time and manually muting.

Manxexile · 11/02/2025 11:57

Keenovay · 11/02/2025 11:36

To be fair, the system should be stupid-proof. I joined for first time today and the route in was slightly ambiguous and anxiety-making for several reasons - it should be crystal clear that there is only one possible route for observers joining.

Agree.

I've observed over half a dozen of these and each time I have to remind myself how to connect.

Do I want audio and visual, or just audio, or neither?

It seems daft to choose audio and visual and then manually have to turn off your camera

It ought to be straightforward and foolproof

ArabellaScott · 11/02/2025 11:57

I'm in the lobby. Giving up for now. Glad Michael Foran is there and able to update.

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 11/02/2025 11:57

Back in!

Tallisker · 11/02/2025 11:57

I haven't got access to twix so I guess I'll miss this now 😢

Still WFTCHTJ

LegallyBlondish · 11/02/2025 11:57

I'm in the lobby and can see that people are being muted.

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 11/02/2025 11:57

No sound :(

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 11/02/2025 11:57

Pissed off some people are in and I'm not. Discrimination! Hate! Goes off to make a contemporaneous note....

GCITC · 11/02/2025 11:57

MinervaBoudicca · 11/02/2025 11:56

can you see pics of the tribunal?
i am still black screen and wftchtj on audio

is it worth staying? is wftchtj a good sign?

You shouldn't have a black screen. Try a different browser.

SauvignonBlanche · 11/02/2025 11:57

I’m just getting the ‘it’s a criminal offence to record notice’ but no sound or audio,

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 11/02/2025 11:58

MinervaBoudicca · 11/02/2025 11:56

can you see pics of the tribunal?
i am still black screen and wftchtj on audio

is it worth staying? is wftchtj a good sign?

We can see visuals, but no audio. I expect they are letting people in individually and checking camera and mics are off, so you may have a wait!

Sarahbackinthesaddle · 11/02/2025 11:58

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 11/02/2025 11:57

Pissed off some people are in and I'm not. Discrimination! Hate! Goes off to make a contemporaneous note....

GrinGrin

NebulousDog · 11/02/2025 11:58

I really really hope they have disclosed all the BMA corresp. Who complains of a serious incident that they can't date months and months later.

This is looking very bad for Dr U

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 11/02/2025 11:58

themostspecialelfintheworkshop · 11/02/2025 11:57

Pissed off some people are in and I'm not. Discrimination! Hate! Goes off to make a contemporaneous note....

Have you tried putting your big girl pants on?

AnnaMagnani · 11/02/2025 11:59

Am kind of glad I'm kicked out as am going to going and get tyres checked and other useful things.

But also sad as NC seems to be really getting somewhere. The resus incident doesn't even have a date? Surely if they work together so rarely it would have been easy to pin down.

BodyKeepingScore · 11/02/2025 12:00

Mine is still "WFTCTJ" 😭

GCITC · 11/02/2025 12:00

Michael Foran twix

NC so, what we can see is that - and you say when talking about resus allegation - unfortunately you don't have a precise date - so you know its a problem?
DU its in my nature to be apologetic
NC but we know from phone notes that you could have given a narrower range
DU yes

NC explain why you didn't give best information you could?
DU I was doing my best, people make mistakes. I could have been more precise. I didn't give inaccurate info.

NC but SP gave precise date didn't she?
DU not familiar with SPs evidence
NC she recalled that it was halloween and reason patient was in resus was bc child had been given sweet with peanuts
DU that's a different patient to what I'm referring to. These are two diff patients.

NC on the same shift
DU it is possible for me to see two patients on the same shift, yes.
NC so we can date the incident?
DU I remember the snickers bad but I can't link all patients to dates

NC so you are recalling working with SP with two patients on same shift
DU don't recall working with her on snickers bar case
NC but you recall her working with you without incident on that patient
DU yes

DU child with peanut allergy was more serious - but all patients with breathing issues are serious
NC you are recalling now having worked with SP on two different patients on same shift
DU no I recall working with SP on one patient but don't recall working with SP on peanut patient

lifeturnsonadime · 11/02/2025 12:00

HalfWomanHalfHobnob · 11/02/2025 11:58

Have you tried putting your big girl pants on?

it occurs to me that Dr Uptons big girl pants may need to very big to erm...... fit his biology female body.

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