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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Billy Bragg scores own goal and can't even see it

41 replies

NameChangeAgainandOncemore · 21/04/2024 11:01

I do like the term 'thick as mince'

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1781954423591223410

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1781954423591223410

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Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2024 11:06

Dunning Kruger.

Pudmyboy · 21/04/2024 12:18

I can only see the original tweet, not the thread, any chance of a summary?

NonLinguisticRhetoricIsMyKryptonite · 21/04/2024 12:30

Pud - It's a thread about this meeting. TRAs claim that Cass is walking back her review.

https://thekitetrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Cass-Review-Mythbusting-Q-and-A.pdf

Threader for tweets: https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1781954423591223410.html

https://thekitetrust.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2024/04/Cass-Review-Mythbusting-Q-and-A.pdf

MrsOvertonsWindow · 21/04/2024 12:33

This post summed up poor old Billy:

"Billy Bragg begins to conduct the ensemble, as the ship ‘settled quietly lower and lower in the sea" 😅

Tontostitis · 21/04/2024 12:44

"Why don't you advocate for the working class not the narcissistic class" is my favourite response

maltravers · 21/04/2024 12:52

He’s realised his position that Cass doesn’t follow the evidence is becoming untenable. So he’s now repositioning to say that Cass doesn’t say what we think it says. She was pretty clear I think that the evidence for puberty blockers is shaky and kids should be treated holistically instead.

Billy, the good doctor knows more about this than you do. The politicians have endorsed and agreed to follow her report. Just stick to protest songs maybe.

RoyalCorgi · 21/04/2024 13:02

He’s realised his position that Cass doesn’t follow the evidence is becoming untenable. So he’s now repositioning to say that Cass doesn’t say what we think it says. She was pretty clear I think that the evidence for puberty blockers is shaky and kids should be treated holistically instead.

It was very enjoyable to see the gender activists split into two camps when the report came out - the ones who immediately decided Cass was terrible, the report was transphobic, it was literally genociding millions of trans kids etc, and those (Stonewall, Freddy McConnell et al) who pretended that Cass was simply saying what they'd thought all along, and wasn't it sad that the transphobes hadn't made it possible to have a reasonable debate.

Although Billy is quite dim and very slow to catch on, he has perhaps realised that camp A were on a hiding to nothing, and it was better to align yourself with Camp B if you didn't want to make yourself look utterly ridiculous. Of course, like a kid who imagines that when they close their eyes you can't see them, he seems to imagine no one will notice he's performed a 180 degree about-turn of his original position.

lechiffre55 · 21/04/2024 13:43

maltravers · 21/04/2024 12:52

He’s realised his position that Cass doesn’t follow the evidence is becoming untenable. So he’s now repositioning to say that Cass doesn’t say what we think it says. She was pretty clear I think that the evidence for puberty blockers is shaky and kids should be treated holistically instead.

Billy, the good doctor knows more about this than you do. The politicians have endorsed and agreed to follow her report. Just stick to protest songs maybe.

The Cass report doesn't say what THEY think WE think.
They are wrong in thier assumptions of what we think. They don't listen to us, and as a result they don't know what we think and why we think it. They strawman what we think in thier own heads.
I am very happy with The Cass Report, even with Bragg's misinformed head up his own arse interpretartion.

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/04/2024 13:48

Can he make any bigger an idiot of himself?

NameChangeAgainandOncemore · 21/04/2024 13:54

I read his thread and thought, yes that's all true, what's your point? The lie was in the heading, that GCs had been saying the review had said a lot of transphobic stuff. Why would they bother? It was the TRAs who were saying that. And Billy himself.

Those who read the report would have had this information already, in fact what the hell was the point of the report being published if people were going to a. Not bother reading it and b. Assume it was transphobic and then c. Go to a Q and A to ask about what it said?

READ IT you morons

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soupfiend · 21/04/2024 14:06

I havent read all of this but saw something on one of those links where he uses the terminology 'designated sexuality and gender'

Who is doing this designating of sexuality and gender?

Is it like being called for jury service or something, at some point you get a letter through the post and your designation is on it, you are bisexual and also catgender, kind regards, the Government.

RoyalCorgi · 21/04/2024 14:09

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/04/2024 13:48

Can he make any bigger an idiot of himself?

I think he'll probably see that as a challenge.

MarieDeGournay · 21/04/2024 14:22

soupfiend · 21/04/2024 14:06

I havent read all of this but saw something on one of those links where he uses the terminology 'designated sexuality and gender'

Who is doing this designating of sexuality and gender?

Is it like being called for jury service or something, at some point you get a letter through the post and your designation is on it, you are bisexual and also catgender, kind regards, the Government.

I though the doctors/midwives/nurses have a hat with 'AFAB' and 'AMAB' written on pieces of paper, and as a child is born*, one of them closes their eyes and pulls out a piece of paper at random and then they all do the 'assigning at birth dance'. That's sex, maybe gender ID is indeed sent through the post, there's probably a committee somewhere for that ...

*apologies, I bet a large % of you now have a Johnny Mathis earworm🙄

RebelliousCow · 21/04/2024 15:28

What a weird hole he is digging for himself... You'd think he'd just lay low....

Billy Bragg scores own goal and can't even see it
popebishop · 21/04/2024 15:33

Hey Billy
You know what the Cass report says? Like, the words it uses?
That's what we're saying it says.
Hth

Chersfrozenface · 21/04/2024 15:38

soupfiend · 21/04/2024 14:06

I havent read all of this but saw something on one of those links where he uses the terminology 'designated sexuality and gender'

Who is doing this designating of sexuality and gender?

Is it like being called for jury service or something, at some point you get a letter through the post and your designation is on it, you are bisexual and also catgender, kind regards, the Government.

That last bit..

I was drinking coffee and now have to take my hoodie off and put it in the laundry basket.

Gasp0deTheW0nderD0g · 21/04/2024 15:42

soupfiend · 21/04/2024 14:06

I havent read all of this but saw something on one of those links where he uses the terminology 'designated sexuality and gender'

Who is doing this designating of sexuality and gender?

Is it like being called for jury service or something, at some point you get a letter through the post and your designation is on it, you are bisexual and also catgender, kind regards, the Government.

Grin You missed out a couple of paragraphs.

We have reached this determination based on information derived from a forensic analysis of your speech, social media posts, travel patterns and finances. We see that your biggest expenditure after mortgage is cat food and pet insurance and you recently purchased a Catwoman outfit on Amazon in advance of your friend Jane's fancy dress party. You were noted to make a number of posts saying nothing more than 'Purrrrr!' in the early hours of the morning following said party, which appeared to be addressed to both men and women.

If you disagree with the conclusions we have reached, you may apply for a review. Please note that the waiting list for this procedure is currently closed because of lack of capacity in the system but your gender is important to us and we are working hard to re-open the waiting list in 2026.

lonelywater · 21/04/2024 15:47

think its past time to do the decent thing and put Billy out of his misery by ignoring him. The guy is clearly so thick he couldn't find his own ares with both hands tied behind his back yet thinks he is still has something worthwhile to say. Poor twat.

bilgewater · 21/04/2024 15:59

Poor Billy. He's always been hard of thinking.

HumanRightsAreHumanRights · 21/04/2024 16:10

Does anyone outside of Mumsnet even pay attention to Billy Bragg?

To be honest I had forgotten he even existed as this is the only place I have seen him mentioned since before the turn of the century.

LarkLane · 21/04/2024 16:21

Billy Bragg, a man who can spend hours staring at an orange juice carton because it has Concentrate written on it.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2024 16:28

LarkLane · 21/04/2024 16:21

Billy Bragg, a man who can spend hours staring at an orange juice carton because it has Concentrate written on it.

😂

BackToLurk · 21/04/2024 16:28

I'm not missing something am I? When Case came out, Billy retweeted at least one tweet saying something idiotic like "Cass says under 25s are children, best they'd not joining the army then". Loads of women told him Cass didn't say that and didn't end treatment for under 25s. Billy ignored them, and now he's saying "Cass doesn't end treatment for under 25s". Am I in some kind of parallel universe?

LenaLamont · 21/04/2024 16:38

No, Lurk, you aren't. It's Billy living in a universe of his own devising, in which he is always right and we are meanies who said whatever it suits him to claim we said.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2024 16:50

https://twitter.com/ChristinaSNP/status/1782009757835911184

Well, Christina McKelvie MSP thinks Billy's thread is worth reading.

https://twitter.com/ChristinaSNP/status/1782009757835911184