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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Billy Bragg scores own goal and can't even see it

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NameChangeAgainandOncemore · 21/04/2024 11:01

I do like the term 'thick as mince'

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1781954423591223410

https://twitter.com/billybragg/status/1781954423591223410

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RethinkingLife · 21/04/2024 17:21

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2024 16:50

https://twitter.com/ChristinaSNP/status/1782009757835911184

Well, Christina McKelvie MSP thinks Billy's thread is worth reading.

TwiX bio: SNP MSP for Hamilton, Larkhall & Stonehouse. Scottish Government Minister for Drugs & Alcohol policy.

I'm no longer baffled as to why Scotland had the drugs & alcohol tragedy that it does if that's the relevant govt. minister's level of understanding of evidence-based healthcare or policy-making.

Viewfrommyhouse · 21/04/2024 17:24

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/04/2024 13:48

Can he make any bigger an idiot of himself?

He really is a monumental, misogynistic prick.

LarkLane · 21/04/2024 17:47

Either Christine McK and BillyB haven't actually read the full Cass report but instead have relied upon their pals TRA version of it, OR, they are terminally thick.

On second thoughts...possibly all of the above.

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2024 20:30

'Sexuality, your laws do not apply to me'

What do we think Billy was on about, here?

And:

I'm sure that everybody knows how much my body hates me
It lets me down most every time and makes me rash and hasty
I feel a total jerk before your naked body of work

Why can't you make it scan properly, Billy? And what's with the thudding masculine end-rhymes?

Actually, don't answer that.

I'm getting weighed down with all this information

Bless.

CaptainBatEars · 21/04/2024 20:34

ArabellaScott · 21/04/2024 16:50

https://twitter.com/ChristinaSNP/status/1782009757835911184

Well, Christina McKelvie MSP thinks Billy's thread is worth reading.

So does a friend of mine, who also retweeted it earlier today. It's very depressing.

zanahoria · 21/04/2024 21:04

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/04/2024 13:48

Can he make any bigger an idiot of himself?

I for one wholeheartedly believe he is always capable of making a bigger idiot out of himself

Ereshkigalangcleg · 21/04/2024 21:29

Why can't you make it scan properly, Billy? And what's with the thudding masculine end-rhymes?

Hasn't he made a further cringeworthy version more recently where he wanged on about pronouns?

CorruptedCauldron · 21/04/2024 21:41

Just because you’re “they”
I won’t turn you away
And if you stick around
I’m sure we’ll find the right pronoun…

WickedSerious · 21/04/2024 21:53

Cosmosforbreakfast · 21/04/2024 13:48

Can he make any bigger an idiot of himself?

Give him time.

SinnerBoy · 22/04/2024 07:32

lonelywater · Yesterday 15:47

think its past time to do the decent thing and put Billy out of his misery by ignoring him.

I thought that sentence was going to end, "...by taking him to the vet and telling the kids he'd gone to live on a farm."

WickedSerious · 22/04/2024 08:14

WickedSerious · 21/04/2024 21:53

Give him time.

"....sprinkle him with a couple of tablespoons' of salt and wait for the inevitable."

Signalbox · 22/04/2024 08:33

Q: Is Cass advocating for the genocide of trans people?

A: No she thinks that trans healthcare should have the same evidence base as health care for everyone else.

Honestly the man's an idiot. He continually strawmans his opponent's arguments and then acts surprised when we are happy with the outcome of a report that pretty much supports everything feminists have been saying for the last 10 years.

WickedSerious · 22/04/2024 09:42

Oops,quoted the wrong post there.

CantDealwithChristmas · 22/04/2024 09:43

The Cass Report came out what? A couple weeks ago and the number of shifts and gyrations TRAs have gone through to try to undermine it has been revealing:

  • First they said it wasn't based on proper studies and data
  • Then they admitted that ok there are criminally few studies and data but proper studies aren't possible because can't do double blind studies on children
  • Then they realised that meant they were accidentally advocating for experimental and untested treatments so fell back on the old adage, children know who they are and will suicide if not given PBs
  • Then they remembered that a lot of children presenting at gender clinics have comorbidites and also that the brain continues to develop into early 20s so reverse ferreted on that attack line
  • Then realised that the study is medically and scientifically impeccable
  • So then decided that the whole study is twannnnsphobic so therefore invalid

Could the fact that they can't seem to settle on an attack line mean that...there are no valid attack lines? Maybe? Hmmm?

My obsverations are:

  1. Striking how few parents and young people have been screaming about the unfairness of Cass - it's mostly been middle aged men. Wonder why?
  2. Bragg's 'intervention' reminds me, once again, of how social media has fooled so many people into thinking that under-educated and hard of thinking celebs like Bragg, Watson, Jamil, Lineker are somehow worth listening to on complex political and social issues just because they can also play a guitar/pose for a photoshoot. They are not.
NameChangeAgainandOncemore · 22/04/2024 09:56

@CantDealwithChristmas Yes I have also observed silence from the young trans folk I know on this subject, and parents of transing children. I follow someone in the same industry as me whose partner is now mtf trans (no surgery) and she is usually massively vocal and pointing out transphobia everywhere, including shouting down JK Rowling and sneering at Glinner. She read the report - actually read it - and agreed that it was good. So there is hope.

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CantDealwithChristmas · 22/04/2024 10:31

NameChangeAgainandOncemore · 22/04/2024 09:56

@CantDealwithChristmas Yes I have also observed silence from the young trans folk I know on this subject, and parents of transing children. I follow someone in the same industry as me whose partner is now mtf trans (no surgery) and she is usually massively vocal and pointing out transphobia everywhere, including shouting down JK Rowling and sneering at Glinner. She read the report - actually read it - and agreed that it was good. So there is hope.

I read a fair few subreddits for gender dysphoric young people and have done since about 2019. My motive in doing this is to try to understand the oirigins and course of ROGD among girls and young women.

My observations are too numerous and disturbing to recount here and it would be off-topic, but one of the relevant trends I have noticed is a marked decline in enthusiasm for surgical interventions and cross sex hormone treatments.

In 2019/2020 the vast majority of young people on those subs were either on the hormone to surgery pathway or desperately wanted to be. This peaked during the covid lockdowns in 2021. In the past two years there has been a marked reversal with increasing numbers of posters expressing reservations, fear or outright refusal to go down this pathway, even when their conviction that they are the opposite sex is nevertheless very strong.

I believe that many trans-identified children have seen the terrible side effects and outcomes of these 'treatments' in young trans influencers and peers who undergo the interventions and invariably can be found shortly after making distressing posts about the horrible surgical complications and side effects. Regularly even asking for help or donations to try and fix what these 'treatments' have done to their bodies.

This is putting the 'next generation' of trans young people off.

So the 'trans youth' trend is grinding to a halt of its own accord. I believe that in five years time scarecely any young people will want to tread this horrible medical pathway. It's beyond tragic that the first cohort of ROGD sufferers had to go through life changing mutilations and hormonal harms to prove that 'trans medicine' is inhumane experimentation. But nevertheless it's happened.

What will survive of the 'movement' will be a rump of increasingly angry and dangerous AGP men and some botched and visibly miserable people like poor Eliott Page. And India Willoughby and Owen Jones, I guess.

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