NHS workers ‘filmed having sex at children’s hospital’

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I suppose this is bringing your whole self to work.

Defending his lifestyle, the OnlyFans user posted last month: “I will not be made to feel any different just because I record my sex.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bfc9a121-b58c-4555-bb03-1925ad0defa3?shareToken=e2a30f39b65b46398285cd599dd7f81a

It’s exceptionally difficult to sack/discipline medics.

99% of staff will be amazing, wonderful, caring professionals with impeccable standards for themselves and others. This a rotten apple (I hope)

Wishing you and baby the best x

I agree it is a disciplinary matter for the hospital , obviously having sex at work is a no in nearly every workplace. But it does happen, look at all the workplace affairs.

@OneMoreTime23
True but that doesn't mean that you shouldn't try very hard with this particular doctor. Complete lack of judgement and insight to think that is acceptable in a hospital, presumably also on duty.

Children shouldn’t have access to the staff changing rooms.

Other behaviour may be a risk to patients, but this particular act, if it took place in a staff changing room, wasn’t.

Still gross misconduct in our trust, and there would certainly be an investigation/disciplinary action taken. But the initial implication was that they were shagging in a plugin area, in front of or very close to children, which would elevate this to “call the police in”, and it doesn’t sound like they were.

Also@Saschka reputation damage to the identified hospital Trust.

It’s unbelievably complicated even to get an investigation up and running. Have a look at what the BMA demand. It absolutely should be done but medics generally have Teflon coating (whilst nurses and HCAs get clobbered for their errors).

As I say, one day I’ll write a book.

But this wasn't just 'having sex'. This was filming the sex, and uploading it to Onlyfans, to be sold to the general public. This was making porn.

A staff room is not a 'private space'.

@sleepyscientist you wouldn't be offended or disturbed going to get changed for/from work sitting on a bench colleagues had just been filming themselves shagging on? Having a shower in a cubicle they'd just done the same in?

i agree it was completely unacceptable behaviour at work and should lead to disciplinary action, likely sacking.

I don’t agree that this was a risk to the children, but it doesn’t need to be a patient safety issue to be a sackable offence. He can just be sacked for making porn at work, that is quite bad enough.

Just to add - shagging on the ward where they could be discovered would be a patient safety/safeguarding issue, and I’d expect police involvement/GMC sanctions as well as sacking in that case.

My heart was in my stomach as I opened the link in case it was my daughter’s hospital (RMCH).

Thankfully, when I stop to think logically I know that the vast, vast majority of NHS staff are totally professional and wouldn’t ever film a hardcore porno on work premises.

There are far, far more staff who will report this behaviour than there are who will engage in it.

We lived in our children’s hospital for the best part of a year so believe me, I totally understand how it feels to need to be able to trust staff with our precious babies.

Hope you and your baby are getting through 💐

And every one of them should be fired.

Have an affair with a colleague if you must, but save the sex until you are off the clock and away from the premises.

It’s really not that difficult to wait until home time.

It's a general risk to anyone using the hospital because it undermines confidence and trust. See poster above now concerned about her child's treatment.

No, it isn't progressive. As a manager I would not be thinking 'go you, being all exciting and liberated and edgy at work'.

I'd be thinking 'here is an employee, working in a position of trust with children, who apparently has very limited self awareness, very poor judgement, very poor boundaries and sense of appropriacy, issues around sex and exhibitionism that appear to be coming to work with them, and very little respect for themselves or others. And this is a major problem, because someone with these personal problems should not be in such a role.'

Why, when they have such poor judgement and such lack of appropriacy in this area would I expect them to suddenly have good judgement and good appropriacy when it comes to working with a child or family?

What a prick. The doubling down makes it 10x worse.

He could have said, 'we thought we were in private but now realise how inappropriate this was, sorry to the families'.

But no!

He says 'I should be allowed to film myself having sex (around children, in hospital)'

Yeah, wrong him dry, knob.

That would come under “bringing the organisation into disrepute” though, not patient safety.

Undermining the patient/medic relationship is endangering patient safety, in a broad sense, I would argue. If a patient decides to withdraw from treatment because they don't trust staff, that is potentially harming the patient.

But I'm talking from a moral point of view, not an HR policy pov.

This is it exactly.

I'm sorry for dominating this but yes as @ArabellaScott says, no I don't want to be leaving my baby on a ward there now in their care, while I get some respite to have a shower, grab a hot drink, go and speak to my husband and other child who we've left at home. Have always as pp have said above had such trust in staff, what else could I do?
But now, I don't know.

100% agree.

As to defending it because it was in a staff room, either those men were on shift and not attending to their patients/duties when they were having sex or it was at a shift change when other people would have needed access to the room.

This.
Unbelievable that there are posters minimising this. "It was only in the staff areas. Society has changed. No impact on patient safety so it's OK, I'm not offended so....".

If posters don't understand that a children's hospital, a school,
a children's home etc are not appropriate places for adults to have sex then we really have a problem. Remember this incident?

https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/5003522-5003522-lancing-soft-play-boss-speaks-after-adult-event-seen-on-fetish-site

Actually I don't think he has admitted it at all.

The quote in the Telegraph is from his social media pages, a month ago. This is what the Telegraph has said in their article. It does not appear to be a statement in relation to these allegations (although I'm fairly sure the Telegraph intends that it is taken as such).

Totally inappropriate. Bloody exhibitionists getting off on the risk of some innocent colleague walking in on them. Extremely unprofessional. What would have happened if the doctor had been crash called, for instance? And yes, I'm betting the "thrill" of the forbidden that this was a children's hospital was used as a bonus in the porn posting. Sickening. It sounds like no children were put at risk of exposure, thank goodness, but isn't this about the definition of bringing the profession into disrepute?!