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NHS workers ‘filmed having sex at children’s hospital’

222 replies

Imnobody4 · 22/03/2024 19:31

I suppose this is bringing your whole self to work.

Defending his lifestyle, the OnlyFans user posted last month: “I will not be made to feel any different just because I record my sex.”

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/bfc9a121-b58c-4555-bb03-1925ad0defa3?shareToken=e2a30f39b65b46398285cd599dd7f81a

OP posts:
ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 11:32

ALL STAFF

List of things that aren't okay (for immediate action):

1 Shagging at work
2 filming self shagging at work
3 uploading film of self shagging at work to Only Fans
4 complaining at people complaining that you've uploaded film of self shagging at work to Only Fans

/ends

CandidHedgehog · 23/03/2024 11:33

TheClogLady · 23/03/2024 11:24

And ER, House, Scrubs etc.

Is Casualty safe? Surely Doogie Howser was underage?

There was at least one episode where an attractive woman made Doogie Howser think they were going to have sex in an operating theatre, his trousers fell to his ankles and then the rest of the cast showed up at the observation window.

It was all played for laughs because implied child molestation is so funny when the child is male.

Datun · 23/03/2024 11:45

Saschka · 23/03/2024 10:55

Are we really at the point where unless a sick child actually sees their HCP filming themself shagging a colleague, then it's fine? How about we just give them earplugs and an eye mask?

No, of course we aren’t. I have only seen one post so far saying they wouldn’t be offended by this.

What people have been debating is whether sacking somebody on patient safety grounds would stick at an employment tribunal, and the likelihood is that it wouldn’t, because it was in a private area well away from patients. You could absolutely sack them for gross misconduct and bringing the organisation into disrepute though, and pretty much everyone on here has agreed that this is what should happen, with a side order of GMC referral for bringing the profession into disrepute.

If you are so unable to brook any disagreement that you feel the need to twist that position into “you support this! You want all HCPs to make porn in front of babies!!!1!!!”, frankly you are the one with the problem.

Of course there's a case for safeguarding of children.

People seem to think that safeguarding is literally about whether or not the children are specifically in danger at that particular moment in time.

It isn't.

It's about risk management and assessment.

Just off the top of my head, wanting to use your workplace, which includes children, as a place to make secret pornography, the lack of boundaries, the lack of respect for others, the knowledge that you could be seen, the likliehood that discovery is a motivation, the lack of understanding of what is appropriate or decent.

Anyone could make mincemeat of the defence that it's not a safeguarding issue.

rollmop · 23/03/2024 11:55

Apparently non-clinical OF person works in a retail outlet at the hospital (there are quite a few of these - it's a really big hospital).

Clinical member of staff is a very junior doctor. Hopefully was getting a cut of the fiver or whatever the video was going for, to tide him over after he's fucked up his career for a quick thrill.

(If he didn't know the video was going on OF then presumably that's a crimimal act. If he did, his judgement is apalling).

Datun · 23/03/2024 12:01

(If he didn't know the video was going on OF then presumably that's a crimimal act. If he did, his judgement is apalling).

Just what you want in a paediatrician.

TheClogLady · 23/03/2024 12:03

CandidHedgehog · 23/03/2024 11:33

There was at least one episode where an attractive woman made Doogie Howser think they were going to have sex in an operating theatre, his trousers fell to his ankles and then the rest of the cast showed up at the observation window.

It was all played for laughs because implied child molestation is so funny when the child is male.

Crikey, that is horrific!

Further evidence that what happens in a TV series set in a hospital is not the standard by which actual medical professionals should behave.

Halloweenrainbow · 23/03/2024 12:05

For me it depends on the 'theme' of the video. Was it just two work colleagues having a quickie in a random work changing space, or was it was obviously two medics, in uniform, on duty in a what is identifiably a childrens hospital? If its the latter - yuk.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2024 12:11

“It was already common knowledge that the non-clinical worker made sex videos and he was pretty open about that on his Facebook page. What he does in his spare time is up to him, although some of the stuff was pretty extreme”

I don’t see that if what he does in his spare time is make porn videos of himself, and take orders for making porn videos of whatever people want, and he works in a children’s hospital, that this is just “up to him”, his business.

Get him out of there. Sack him.

Helleofabore · 23/03/2024 12:12

RedHelenB · 23/03/2024 09:00

Because the report said it happened in the staff part of the hospital not the wards. How would the children know anything about it?

The point is, that this is two people at that site who cannot observe professional work ethics and have sexual boundaries that are safeguarding red flags.

These people are not appropriate to be working in a children's hospital. They cannot recognise their own inappropriate sexual behaviour.

This also then leads into where is the boundary because these things escalate. If this content producer is asked to film themselves having sex in the public area, will they? Will the next request involve filming near children? If these two people have already shown they have boundaries that are so low they cannot recognise this behaviour, then why should any person expect them to stop in the 'just the staff area'?

There is no 'but it was just...' about this behaviour. It is a massive waving red flag already. Unless you think exploring your kink in the workplace is in anyway appropriate as clearly some people, such as these two, think.

OneMoreTime23 · 23/03/2024 12:12

TheClogLady · 23/03/2024 11:21

On shift? On premises?

If the answer to either of those is yes then it’s wrong.

HR really need to hurry up with the no-shagging-on-shift clauses if this is commonplace.

I had a senior manager who argued in her disciplinary that taking cash from charitable donations to buy Xmas drinks for staff was fine and dandy. (It didn’t land and she was sacked for theft.)

Whatever happened to common sense and decency?

Helleofabore · 23/03/2024 12:15

ArabellaScott · 23/03/2024 09:26

The world is changing, peoples opinions are largely changing (even if yours aren't) the pure number on onlyfans, social media etc shows this.

If we are now at the point where making porn in a children's hospital is defended as progressive, we are in a very, very dangerous place.

Fuck. We are very much in a dangerous place. Making porn in a children's hospital being defended....

Because some people think that lowered sexual boundaries allowing this is 'progress'? No fucking way.

ScrollingLeaves · 23/03/2024 12:18

MrsOvertonsWindow · 22/03/2024 21:05

Well said Frood. It's telling that this was in a Children's hospital. Just as many men enjoy breaching women's boundaries, breaching boundaries relating to children seem to be equally appealing to some - and openly fostered by too many unthinking adults.

Yes, and this:
The male member of staff charges £6.28 per clip on his OnlyFans page and says he will “take requests on any photo/videos you want me to do”, The Sun reported

How long before he sneaks some footage of sick children on request?

Toddlerteaplease · 23/03/2024 12:18

I work in a childrens hospital and my first thought was, when did they find time or private space for that?!! Seriously, though I hope they are both sacked and struck off whichever register they are on.
Completely agree about the 'bringing their whole self nonsense.

Woman2023 · 23/03/2024 12:20

RedHelenB · 23/03/2024 06:51

From the title i thought it was in the public bit of the hospital not the staff room. Sex has always happened at workplaces, think the Scottish Sun is sensationalising the story surprisingly.

Sex has never been acceptable in workplace changing rooms or anywhere else not actually private. It having happened on occasion doesn't make it acceptable.

GCautist · 23/03/2024 12:23

Why do people think sex at work is appropriate? Unless your job is to have sex (and that’s a whole other ethical and moral debate) then don’t sneak a shag in the workplace- wherever you work. It’s not hard to go somewhere else.

Anyone shagging in a children’s hospital has to be aware of the likely connections made between the act, the location and what that will say about you as a person.

The millenials and genz ‘don’t kink shame me’ thing has gone so far now it’s like we can’t ever raise alarm bells at inappropriate behaviour without us being made out to be the unreasonable ones. This OF moron is trying to justify his behaviours without having the insight or maturity to realise how fucking inappropriate he’s being. I know far too many people like him now.

its going to be fun when all this surfaces again when they’re going for grown up jobs

Datun · 23/03/2024 12:29

These people are not appropriate to be working in a children's hospital. They cannot recognise their own inappropriate sexual behaviour.

Personally, I think recognising the inappropriateness of it is the key part.

TheClogLady · 23/03/2024 12:30

OneMoreTime23 · 23/03/2024 12:12

I had a senior manager who argued in her disciplinary that taking cash from charitable donations to buy Xmas drinks for staff was fine and dandy. (It didn’t land and she was sacked for theft.)

Whatever happened to common sense and decency?

And if we can’t have common sense and decency back can we at least have the nouse to keep your transgressions completely separate to your workplace?

I have lots of sympathy for former prostitutes and porn performers who get dragged into the sex industry as teenagers and leave it behind them, only to have evidence resurface 20 years later but anyone who is actively juggling porn performer and hospital worker needs some sort of intervention. Especially a junior doctor, who should be well past the point of developing adequate impulse control and long term thinking.

I’m actually quite surprised that a ‘retail worker’ would have access to clinical staff’s changing rooms - I would’ve expected staff who are employed by Costa/WH Smiths etc to be quite separate? Am I wrong or did that change during covid or am I right and just being in the change room is an act of transgressed boundaries? If so, was it the doctor who gave the retail worker access to the change room?

Fuck’s sake, even the countless OnlyFans puffpieces/advertorials on shitty news sites made it clear that Person A is an ex nurse making 20 times an NHS salary and Person B is an ex teacher making 20 times a teacher salary or whatever nonsense it is that they say to prop up their porno pyramid scheme.

RedHelenB · 23/03/2024 12:30

Woman2023 · 23/03/2024 12:20

Sex has never been acceptable in workplace changing rooms or anywhere else not actually private. It having happened on occasion doesn't make it acceptable.

Agreed, but not newspaper worthy.

Helleofabore · 23/03/2024 12:35

Datun · 23/03/2024 12:29

These people are not appropriate to be working in a children's hospital. They cannot recognise their own inappropriate sexual behaviour.

Personally, I think recognising the inappropriateness of it is the key part.

Of course it is.

rollmop · 23/03/2024 12:35

RedHelenB · 23/03/2024 12:30

Agreed, but not newspaper worthy.

No, the selling it on OnlyFans makes it newsworthy, and tbh it likely wouldn't have broken out from the Sun, except Scottish media are shit hot at jumping on anything about the QEUH/RHC hence BBC coverage.

But it's out there now.

Flickersy · 23/03/2024 12:36

anyone who is actively juggling porn performer and hospital worker needs some sort of intervention

With the cost of living the way it is and levels of poverty in this country, you'd be amazed how many people are juggling respectable jobs and something like an OnlyFans to try and keep their head above water. It's not as rare as you'd think.

Helleofabore · 23/03/2024 12:37

RedHelenB · 23/03/2024 12:30

Agreed, but not newspaper worthy.

It is a children's hospital and a staff member is making porn there. Of course it is newspaper worthy. It certainly highlights that maybe work place agreements need to now be very explicit to state that there should be no sexual activity in the workplace and certainly no porn made.

HoneyButterPopcorn · 23/03/2024 12:37

The fact it in a children’s hospital gives it additional ikk factor.

But I guess reporting it will only make you a hate monster?

Flickersy · 23/03/2024 12:38

Helleofabore · 23/03/2024 12:37

It is a children's hospital and a staff member is making porn there. Of course it is newspaper worthy. It certainly highlights that maybe work place agreements need to now be very explicit to state that there should be no sexual activity in the workplace and certainly no porn made.

A staff member is alleged to have been making porn there. Nothing has actually been confirmed.

Datun · 23/03/2024 12:40

RedHelenB · 23/03/2024 12:30

Agreed, but not newspaper worthy.

I disagree.

It's evident from some posters on here, that porn sites like Only Fans are normalising pornography to the degree that it's not seen as a safeguarding issue to make porn in a children's hospital, during your tea break.

That is shockingly newsworthy.

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