TRA "Kirk Cobain was trans!" The internet "STFU"

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https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-12985677/Trans-activist-slammed-claiming-Kurt-Cobain-TRANSGENDER-iconic-Nirvana-frontman-wore-womens-clothes.html
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I'm enjoying the 'But you say we should never assume someone's gender' comments 😂

Honestly, fuck off. Kurt was incredibly inclusive given the time and industry. He (they all, in fact), wore dresses because it pissed people off and made them uncomfortable. He was a punk, pushing boundaries. It was a completely different world.

I grew up in that grunge/greebo world. Loads of my male friends wore dresses and skirts and eyeliner and nail polish. Some are gay, some are straight. All are now middle-aged men, and absolutely no sign of any of them being trans.

I spent most of the 90s dressed like a close to retirement male geography teacher… second hand baggy cords, argyle cardigans with patches on my sleeves, I think I owned one solitary lip gloss.
So Kurt Cobain dressing in his Nan’s housecoat did not raise a single eyebrow in my circle.

I wish this could be how it is now.

Men wearing dresses, make up etc and it doesn't mean they have suddenly turned into a girl!

I keep seeing posts showing eg Annie Lennox, Grace Jones, Bowie etc saying why do our generation have an issue with trans when our pop icons looked like that.

It’s exactly BECAUSE our pop icons wore whatever the fuck they liked that we realise that clothes mean nothing. We knew that clothes and hair and make up do NOT maketh the man/woman.

I feel like this is just a backlash against that, we’ve already done everything so in this postmodern world the only rebellion left is to subvert the rebellions of the past.

Being gay/bi/straight, gender non conforming, fat/thin, nerdy/botoxed and fillered to fuck, or in any way different is now absolutely accepted by the majority of people. So what do they have left to protest against? The only thing they have left is to take “our version of weird/punk” and turn it on its head by making it somehow conforming again.

They’re like a bunch of children pushing the boundaries but their parents don’t really give them boundaries so they don’t know what to push against.

Frank Zappa

Does the Daily Mail turn it into a headline every time someone says something on tiktok which someone else disagrees with? How sad. And how even sadder some people read their shit and eat it up. But I guess that's the model, they know as long as they put "trans" in the headline they'll get outrage clicks from the pearlclutchers of middle England, and that feeds their advertisers and makes them money I guess.

It's really not one paper that does this. They all do. Most "journalism" in this age is lazy and vapid.

Kurt Cobain, Ritchie Edwards, Nicky Wire, Brian Molko, even Brett Anderson and Jarvis Cocker were “expanding the bandwidth” of what being a man was back in the 90s.

And they were far from being the first.

It’s so sad that there’s a generation of kids who think if you’re not Pitbull (although they probably don’t even know him lol) then you’re some new, indeterminable gender.

I blame ALL this on the ending of Top Of The Pops.

I remember and was into Nirvana.

Kurt spoke in interviews about wanting to piss off Jocks by being provocative in appearance and behaviour as he wasn’t seen as macho as them.

I find a lot of the 90s very boring but there actually were some things happening with gender that are far more interesting than what’s happening now. Both men and women were pushing what was acceptable within their own sex. If you look at the alternative/indie bands there’s a lot going on there that isn’t just putting people into restrictive boxes, yet it didn’t impinge on anyone else.

Posted without comment.

(mainly because I might have to go for a cold shower and a lie down after searching through all his best photos before choosing that one )

Wonders idly whether some posters hate the Mail because that is a requirement of their tribal affiliation, or because it regularly exposes the idiotic nonsense of genderism

Well I went looking for pictures of the Manics and got distracted by the beautiful young James Dean Bradfield.

This one’s fairly safe though.

Kurt Cobain - trans!
Annie Lennox - trans!
David Bowie - trans!
Grace Jones, Frank Zappa, Tim Curry ...
Anyone else getting Goodness Gracious Me "the Queen (Jesus/Christianity/da Vinci Superman) is Indian!" vibes

It’s so sad that there’s a generation of kids who think if you’re not Pitbull (although they probably don’t even know him lol) then you’re some new, indeterminable gender.

It really is true that every generation believes they invented sex

Just wait till they see footage of Dave Grohl wearing a bra with playing drums.

Yep, started Uni in 1992 and so happy - men were embracing their artistic, "feminine" side and women were showcasing their power and strength. Don't really understand how it's all gone so wrong and restrictive 😞

The points above about no boundaries to rebel against and no music tribes are both good explainer.

I personally think that making transphobia the next civil rights battle after sexism, racism and homophobia was the key. Good people got on board without really thinking through that including women, people of colour and LGB people is unproblematic and genuine inclusion. Including trans people involves lies, deceit and a total overturning of social norms. I'm onboard for respect, anti-discrimination and improvement but not revolution!

By that reckoning every rock/pop star for the last 50+ years is trans.
They are well known for dressing outrageously, that's why we loved them.
Nobody thought they were trans

For me, Marilyn is the perfect example of expanding the bandwidth of being a Man. He's been doing it for over 40 years and has never jumped on the trans bandwagon. In fact, he's the exact opposite.

It's both.

That is it, exactly!

Can I offer up David Beckham and his sarong?

DS wears long skirts all the time. He's straight. He just likes long, monastic skirts. He was complimented on his outfit by the middle aged man who runs his local corner shop because he lives in a Muslim area where all the men wear jubbas and thobes and his outfit looked like that. Presumably not all Muslim men are trans. The idea that putting on a skirt makes you a woman is so staggeringly narrow-minded and conservative.

It's absolutely is narrow minded. But gender ideology is absolutely drenched in gender stereotypes, Without them it falls apart

I've seen these posts too. It is such regressive thinking.

ApocalipstickNow · Today 13:10

Kurt spoke in interviews about wanting to piss off Jocks by being provocative in appearance and behaviour as he wasn’t seen as macho as them.

I wonder how much of a thing that was? I started a job in 1988, aged 18 and was invited to the pub by the crew. One bloke arrived in pink spandex leggings, winkle pickers with heels and a flouncy shirt, complete with eyeshadow. He affected a camp air.

The reason was soon apparent, he was hoping that someone would start a fight.