Radio 4 right now- free speech, incl trans

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Interesting and heated!

Are they mentioning this? Owen Jones comes out fighting for "Actual Free Speech" www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/4939597-owen-jones-comes-out-fighting-for-actual-free-speech

Antisocial, is the programme.

One of the men is a ‘gotcha’ arguer rather than having a genuine discussion.
The other is sensible and trying to reason rather than accuse.

Not sure about the actual views of the aggressive man, but he’s irritating. Keeps shutting down the conversation.

Not the bit I heard, @Ereshkigalangcleg

It’s broader- covering ‘bring your whole self to work’ at the moment.
has whistle stopped over rainbow, trans flags, poppies etc.

Palestine flags, I think earlier, Black Lives Matter.

James Esses vs Femi Oluwole. When the topic move onto trans, Femi had much to say, all of it either uninformed or the bleeding obvious.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/m001s62y

According to Femi everyone always brings their whole selves to work. Femi is not a serious or honest debater.

Isn’t femi self employed? So when femi goes to work, he’s taking his whole self to work in his own house

He was horrible. The kind of person I avoid. I liked James!
Thanks @nauticant for saying who they were- I caught James’ name, which I was familiar with, but only Femi’s first name.

I need to listen from the start. It was irritating the way Femi kept speaking over James in a really challenging way- didn’t make for good radio.

He's correct on a physical level; it's hard to do otherwise.

Femi is a clueless knob. I can't stand him.

Neither can I , now I know who he is 😅.

I was impressed with James calm.
I don’t know what else Femi believes but he behaved as though it was essential James didn’t get to ‘win’. James must not be allowed to sound as though he’s talking sense, or everyone will notice the emperor is naked. In fact, James must not be allowed to speak if at all avoidable- what might he say?! Hashtag, freespeechfor people I agree with.