National Trust AGM

[PRAMtran]

I’ve received an email from the National Trust inviting me and all other members to vote in their AGM. Does anyone know if there are any things a woman’s rights advocate should vote for or against. Eg TWAW by stealth.

Well, I'd prefer Socrates.

“When the debate is lost, slander becomes the tool of the loser.”

I find quite interesting to think about who these people are. They claim to be feminists but also seem borderline racist in their rejection of black history narratives, even asking for more humour in a discussion of slavery - WTF? I’m sure their grandkids would be proud of them if they discovered this - not. They seem to rejectors of intersectionality, small ‘c’ conservatives, not especially well educated, not analytical thinkers, perhaps older.

I believe this is what has been termed “white feminism” in action

Although in fact, it seems this quote is misattributed.

So, strike that 'Socrates'.

It's still a nice quote.

Are you actually able to speak to us, here, on this board, or are you just going to slag us off to your pals?

'perhaps older' - loving the casual ageism, there, too.

I do absolutely love 'not especially well educated'.

No. Whisper it - in a state school, too! The horror!

I'm old and even I admit that certain political attitudes are more prevalent in certain age groups.

It's very well documented.

Ok- I’ll bite - so do you believe legitimate and accurate information regarding slavery connections should be included in guide books and info boards at NT properties where these connections exist ?

Would love your thoughts.

I’m old too. And state educated.

You repeatedly try to slur us, call us old, stupid, racists, and now you pretend that you would 'love my thoughts'?

I don't believe you.

I don’t “reject a black history narrative” I just don’t think it should crowd out other historical narratives which are similarly important to others, if not to you.

if you force feed people ideology they will reject it. I suspect you know this and there is an element of wishing to punish and force.

Also, calling people racist because they disagree with you is poor IMO.

You asked to engage. I have.

As I’ve done upthread happy to debate this issue.

Why is accurately describing the occupation of a former NT property owner “force feeding” anything?

And nobody has tackled the Tufton Street issue. Head in the sand

Yeah, but I'm not so happy about being called a racist. So, thanks but no thanks.

Ok, so nothing doing, no probs.

I haven't reported any of Godesses supercillious or offensive posts, as I prepare to let them stand so people can see for themselves. I stand by everything in my post - there was nothing in it which is not tue or self evident.

No, you're not. You clearly don't have the tools. If you had you woould have already done it without alienating, insulting and offending people.

As i say it is always worthwhile ( in certain circumstances) to check out people's posting history. It is freely available to view.

Yes, far better to let them stand.

That was your starting point. You have never really engaged at all - and when you did it was if you hadn't even read the post that others had made, nor make any attempt to underrstamd alternative points of view.

You're the gift that keeps on giving.

I'm not especially well-educated, no. Thanks for noticing. incidentally, my grandkids don't exist yet, because I would have had to have a child in about year 9 (that's age 13) who also had a child in year 9 to have a grandchild who could even read my posts on MN.

I asked you earlier if "small c conservativ[ism]" was unusual for National Trust members. You still haven't answered that.

Given you are such an analytical thinker, why on earth are you posting the nonsense you are?

For example, what relevance does my private bathroom, which has one toilet in it, (and which can only be accessed through my locked front door) have to public toilets which are designed to be used by multiple people simultaneously?

Can you not count?

It's like comparing a private bedroom with a hostel dormitory. Do you tell women that if they share a bedroom with a male partner, that they should be happy to share a dormitory with anyone?

I don't report obnoxious posts unless they're really really offensive.

Far better to let them stand. I want and welcome debate, dissent, discussion.

That's not what the NT want and I find it bizarre that people with supposedly liberal values have not commented on their authoritarian tactics

I do find it really offensive to be called racist.

What is 'borderline' racist, anyway? That's like a way to call people racist but with plausible deniability built in?