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A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2

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Boiledbeetle · 29/05/2023 23:25

Thread 1:
https://www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4776556-a-mumsnet-thread-about-a-book-about-a-mumsnet-thread-under-the-duvet-of-darkness-written-by-the-women-of-mumsnet?utm_campaign=thread&utm_medium=share

You do not need to have read thread 1 – this is not that sort of thread.

But to recap… Over Christmas and New Year after the passing of the GRR (Scotland) Bill a thread was started with a poem about Nicola Sturgeon. Eventually on that thread (and a couple of other threads) over 80 poems were written.

“Under the Duvet of Darkness: Poems written by angry women for angry women because WOMEN WON’T WHEESHT” was published as a paperback on 31st March 2023.

Available on Amazon only: https://www.amazon.co.uk/dp/B0C129WKDD

In a rather bizarre turn of events at one point it reached No 2 in poetry best sellers and No 5 in Feminist Criticism best sellers. No one will be surprised to discover that a book that is in the main about people, especially men, claiming to be something they are not was kept off the No1 spot in poetry best sellers by a crime novel, identifying as poetry, written by a man ;-)

E-BOOK:

Some people wanted an e-book rather than a paperback, but for that we needed someone who could actually make an e-book and some extra poems.

FairyKindleMother came to the rescue with regards the e-book and posters wrote enough poems that we could add 20 more poems into the e-book.

I pressed publish on the e-book a few hours ago. It can take usually up to 3 days to appear and populate all the info etc on the various sites, and there is always the chance they knock it back for some reason. But I've done all I can do at this point. We just have to wait and see who spots it on sale first! It will appear on the Amazon link above hopefully soon, (or I'll get an email asking me to change something).

MONEY FROM SALES OF ALL FORMATS:

In honour of Magdalen Berns, who co-founded the Scottish campaign group For Women Scotland, 100% of the profit from the sale of this book will be donated to For Women Scotland.

“It’s not hate to defend your rights, and it’s not hate to speak the truth.”
Magdalen Berns (1983 – 2019)

As I started work on the e-book posters continued to write poems. So we had a choice: leave them there, languishing on the thread, unloved, forgotten, never to have their words uttered again OR we could just do volume 2.

Posters voted for Volume 2 but we still need more poems!

And that’s the gist of thread 1.

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 13:12

Boiledbeetle · 12/09/2023 18:50

Poem transfer from Tunnock's thread

IcakethereforeIam · Yesterday 08:25

Okay, 3rd draft

Daisy, Daisy give me your reality
I'm half crazy all for the love of me
It's going to be a shock
You'll lose to a bloke in a frock
I'll win the race, I'll take first place
Due to male puberty

Sorry 😞
4th draft?

I think 'bloke' should be changed to 'cock'. I like the internal rhyme. And it bites better.

I'll redo the whole poem in the next post, but I'm worried MN might delete it, so this is a backup.

If you prefer the mk.3 version though, go with that.

IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 13:13

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Boiledbeetle · 19/09/2023 13:15

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I like this one. I've screen shot it just in case!

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Boiledbeetle · 19/09/2023 18:12

😁

Every time!

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IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 18:16

I thought I was being over cautious 😁

Boiledbeetle · 19/09/2023 18:32

I don't know every time we try to discuss dressing livestock it gets deleted.

Anyway I've seen lots of dresses with cocks on, but alas only cocks wearing tutus! Although there are some great photos of them wearing dungarees.

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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Boiledbeetle · 19/09/2023 18:33

And I'm going to be honest i have no idea whether the above is a cock or a hen! I just know it's a chicken!

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IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 18:38

It must be a hen, it's wearing a dress. That's how you can tell.

Boiledbeetle · 19/09/2023 18:40

So this must be a cock then as it's wearing dungarees!

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 18:44

Or a lesbian.

Boiledbeetle · 19/09/2023 20:08

IcakethereforeIam · 19/09/2023 18:44

Or a lesbian.

😂😂

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CervixSampler · 19/09/2023 20:31

I've been distracted from Alice by some personal drama that I could write a book on never mind a poem.

Platform 13 is chilling. Brilliant. But chilling.

CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 13:35

A tale as old as time:

It’s been more than a two decades now
Since he started his toxic torture.
Slowly at first, almost imperceptible to the unsuspecting or inexperienced eye.

She started thinking she was imagining things, that it was her that was the problem. After all he was such a good guy and she was, well, difficult.

She tried to be a good wife and worked hard to make it work. But after the marriage failed things ramped up to unprecedented levels.

The never ending threats of court
The mental poisoning of their daughters
He succeeded with one and alienated her from her maternal family
And then he set his sights on her sister
With his blistering hatred of who brought her into this world

She gave up her career to be there for you all,
She worked, she studied, she got her degrees, her post-grad diplomas and set up her own business, but it was never enough.

He says she’s lazy and sits on her fat arse all day.
And because of that he won’t pay a penny for their daughters.
He calls her psycho and schizo, claims she’s mentally ill and abnormal and tells their daughters this in the relentless drip of poison. It’s not even subtle.

His never-ending stream of lackeys and handmaidens ensure his narcissistic supply is secure as he passes his parenting duties onto the next in line who is blinded by his dubious charm.

Why does he hate her so? The woman who gave her all for him. The woman who was abused and gaslit who he tried to make feel small.

She took out a restraining order and he painted her as crazy. Said it was she who abused him.

He never took no for an answer. Pushing ahead regardless whilst guilting her into bending to his will. He had needs and she wasn’t meeting them he’d tell anyone who would listen.

He turned her family against her and ridiculed her in front of friends.

He called her a whore, called her a malingerer with munchausens to boot.

When he left, claiming she’d given him no choice he threatened to kill himself, or move to the other side of the world. Simultaneously threatening to take the children because she was psychotic remember.

Then came the interference with her work. Refusing to have contact with the children so she had to stay home. To ramp it up there were court applications. She’s been to court 25 times now and each time he’s painted her as crazy and an abusive mother. He accused her of having munchausens by proxy. The outdated term didn’t matter because it was just another way to hurt. He had her investigated, cross-examined, her soul laid bare. It still wasn’t enough.

Now he exists in his boiling vat of toxic lies, like the devil on his throne, precariously sat, fearing anything that could topple him from the god-like picture he’s painted of himself. He is drowning in his own hatred. His misery is palpable. The ugly void where a heart should be is reflected in his demeanour, his actions and his view of women.

But his most putrid bile is reserved for the woman who once loved him who committed no crime except to be a woman who dared to say no.

I've got a covid vaccine induced headache and not feeling my best today so that might need a good checking over for typos and grammatical errors.

CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 13:37

I'm not sure if it fits with the rest but it felt good to write it.

Boiledbeetle · 20/09/2023 14:23

CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 13:37

I'm not sure if it fits with the rest but it felt good to write it.

Season 10 Hug GIF by Friends

it fits just fine 😘

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Boiledbeetle · 20/09/2023 14:59

@CervixSampler

I couldn't post it on here like I wanted do (an god knows if it will work on a kindle) but I can leave it as you've typed it, or do this with it? what do you think?

A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
A Mumsnet thread about a book about a Mumsnet thread “Under the Duvet of Darkness” written by the women of Mumsnet THREAD 2
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Boiledbeetle · 20/09/2023 15:00

@CervixSampler left justified:

POEM 144 A TALE AS OLD AS TIME

It’s been more than a two decades now
since he started his toxic torture.
Slowly at first,
almost imperceptible
to the unsuspecting or inexperienced eye.

She started thinking she was imagining things,
that it was her that was the problem.
After all he was such a good guy
and she was, well,
difficult.

She tried to be a good wife,
and worked hard to make it work.
But after the marriage failed
things ramped up
to unprecedented levels.

The never-ending
threats of court.
The mental
poisoning
of their daughters.

He succeeded with one,
and alienated her from her maternal family.
And then he set his sights on her sister,
with his blistering hatred
of who brought her into this world

She gave up her career to be there for you all,
She worked, she studied, she got her degrees,
her post-grad diplomas
and set up her own business.
But it was never enough.

He says she’s lazy,
and sits on her fat arse all day.
And because of that
he won’t pay a penny for their daughters.
He calls her psycho and schizo.

Claims she’s mentally ill,
and abnormal,
and tells their daughters
this in the relentless drip of poison.
It’s not even subtle.

His never-ending stream
of lackeys and handmaidens
ensure his
narcissistic supply
is secure.

As he passes his parenting duties
onto the next in line,
who is blinded
by his
dubious charm.

Why does he hate her so?
The woman who gave her all for him.
The woman who was abused,
and gaslit,
who he tried to make feel small.

She took out a restraining order,
and he painted her as crazy.
Said it was
she
who abused him.

He never took no for an answer.
Pushing ahead regardless,
whilst guilting her into bending to his will.
He had needs, and she wasn’t meeting them,
he’d tell anyone who would listen.

He turned her family against her,
and ridiculed her in front of friends.
He called her a whore,
called her a malingerer,
with Munchausen’s to boot.

When he left,
claiming she’d given him
no choice,
he threatened to kill himself.
Or move to the other side of the world.

Simultaneously
threatening
to take the children,
because she was
psychotic.

Then came the interference
with her work.
Refusing to have contact
with the children,
so she had to stay home.

To ramp it up there were court applications.
She’s been to court
25 times now,
and each time he’s painted her as crazy
and an abusive mother.

He accused her of having Munchausen’s by proxy.
He had her investigated,
cross-examined,
her soul laid bare.
It still wasn’t enough.

Now he exists in his boiling vat of toxic lies,
like the devil on his throne,
precariously sat,
fearing anything that could topple him
from the god-like picture he’s painted of himself.

He is drowning in his own hatred.
His misery is palpable.
The ugly void where a heart should be is reflected
in his demeanour, his actions
and his view of women.

But his most putrid bile
is reserved for the woman
who once loved him who committed no crime
except to be a woman who
dared to say no.

CervixSampler · 20th September 2023

took out these lines in order to get it to fit into five line stanzas

The outdated term didn’t matter
because it was just another way to hurt

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CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 15:14

I like the first most but whatever fits in with the rest of the aesthetic is fine with me, thank you 😊

Boiledbeetle · 20/09/2023 15:19

CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 15:14

I like the first most but whatever fits in with the rest of the aesthetic is fine with me, thank you 😊

as in the first ie the way you did it? or the first way I did it?

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CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 15:42

Sorry, the way you did it.

Boiledbeetle · 20/09/2023 15:44

CervixSampler · 20/09/2023 15:42

Sorry, the way you did it.

👍 it will definitely work in the book. Hopefully @FairyKindleMother will be able to work her magic in the ebook!

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ArcaneWireless · 20/09/2023 16:17
Jennifer Lopez Applause GIF by NBC World Of Dance

Wow.

Boiledbeetle · 21/09/2023 18:26

I'm ringing the bell for last orders on poems! You've got ten minutes to write them up before I call time! Or I may have a small lock in and give you until the end of the weekend!

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ArcaneWireless · 21/09/2023 18:34

Tiny lock in might be nice. There might be another in there somewhere 😘

BonfireLady · 21/09/2023 18:43

Exciting! What a fab bunch of poems, of all different genres (phone tried to autocorrect to genders... grrrr... compelled speech).

Count me in on the lock-in. I don't have anything more to contribute but will support with wine 🍷