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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Telegraph- Whenever people accuse JK Rowling of transphobia, they never quote a single word she’s said.

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MrsJackRackham · 16/02/2023 08:54

www.msn.com/en-gb/news/other/if-it-weren-t-for-jk-rowling-nicola-sturgeon-would-never-have-fallen/ar-AA17wXhl?ocid=entnewsntp&cvid=fd3aec318b9242f0a6c57313e19331c3
Apologies if this has already been posted. Nice and succinct.

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StephanieSuperpowers · 16/02/2023 16:32

I find it extremely understandable that teenagers can be told something is hateful and believe it without wanting to look more into it. I was certainly like that as a teenager.

What I don't find understandable is adults being so unremittingly foolish.

Fairysilver · 16/02/2023 16:37

Abhannmor · 16/02/2023 14:31

You could in all fairness. And it is quite a shock to read a piece in the Torygraph which is 100 % true.
A refreshing change for its readership after years of Bozo's whoppers.

The DT is very full on GC and has been for some time.

Johnnysgirl · 16/02/2023 16:38

I, and almost every trans person I’ve talked to, have had to teach the doctors and nurses who aren’t experts how our biology works just to get basic healthcare
It reads like complete satire. Quite disturbing that it's not 🤯

cravingtoblerone · 16/02/2023 16:39

I had someone who claimed to be a 'die-hard feminist' ask me for 'actual proof' that JK Rowling had done anything positive for women.

I sent two news stories, one about her rape crisis centre and one about her help to female lawyers/ judges from Afghanistan. Got no reaction to either news story but she's still online telling anyone who will listen that JK Rowling is the devil incarnate...

You cannot reason with stupid.

TheBiologyStupid · 16/02/2023 16:40

coconotgrove · 16/02/2023 15:33

The charge that she's a transphobe doesn't square with her actual views - The New York Times are now rowing back on something many of us have been saying all along..

Excellent to see even the NYT coming to its senses - I don't think that they would have published a piece like that a year ago.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2023 16:42

The NYT is U turning at a tremendous pace. Great to see 😄

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2023 16:42

It reads like complete satire. Quite disturbing that it's not

Its always hard to tell with Monty

DevilinaCardigan · 16/02/2023 16:43

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/02/2023 16:32

I find it extremely understandable that teenagers can be told something is hateful and believe it without wanting to look more into it. I was certainly like that as a teenager.

What I don't find understandable is adults being so unremittingly foolish.

... and that's why I now read the antipodean fruit farmer site and listen to Blocked and Reported.

I used to have a shirt that said 'Celebrate freedom - read banned books'.

highfidelity · 16/02/2023 16:46

Apologies for being a bit dim (yet again) but I can't find anything in that article that shows anything transphobic JKRowling has said/written. Please can you quote the parts that support her transphobia - by this I mean things she has said/written, not what others have said/written - thanks

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/02/2023 16:46

It doesn't really. It's the same thing again - she said dogwhistles like that women are a thing.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2023 16:49

Hope this helps

It starts not too badly and then descends into total drivel.

CountZacular · 16/02/2023 16:50

Johnnysgirl · 16/02/2023 16:38

I, and almost every trans person I’ve talked to, have had to teach the doctors and nurses who aren’t experts how our biology works just to get basic healthcare
It reads like complete satire. Quite disturbing that it's not 🤯

It really does. What KM has done (as every TRA likes to do) is conflate the confusion of a minority of people with DSD with trans people. But KM does not have DSD so it's completely irrelevant. In this case it's very simple - KM has a male body and male biology. Sex is real.

persister · 16/02/2023 16:57

Just for completeness, as well as Beira's Place and Lumos Joanne Rowling also set up and funds Volant, which funds work to 'alleviate social deprivation, particularly concerned with women, children and young people at risk'.

It's why she's no longer a billionaire - the tens of millions she spends on helping vulnerable and disadvantaged people, particularly women and children.

Fairislefandango · 16/02/2023 16:57

Sex isn’t just a M/F tickbox in your DNA somewhere.

Yes it is. Just because a tiny section of society has decided that 'woman' no longer means what literally everyone has always known it meant since humans have existed, and have decided it now means 'anyone who fancies being a woman', or claim that the fact that a tiny proportion of people are born with DSDs makes it 'complicated' to know who is male or female, that doesn't mean the rest of the world has to abandon all reason and agree with them.

Fairislefandango · 16/02/2023 16:59

I, and almost every trans person I’ve talked to, have had to teach the doctors and nurses who aren’t experts how our biology works just to get basic healthcare.

Wait... this person is claiming that trans people have 'different biology' from everybody else?! Confused

highfidelity · 16/02/2023 17:02

Fairislefandango · 16/02/2023 16:59

I, and almost every trans person I’ve talked to, have had to teach the doctors and nurses who aren’t experts how our biology works just to get basic healthcare.

Wait... this person is claiming that trans people have 'different biology' from everybody else?! Confused

Well, to be fair, a transwoman does have different biology to a biological woman (ditto a transman/biological man)!

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2023 17:03

Was it Katy or India who said they 'got their chromosomes checked' and 'they were female'?

These two lie their arses off on SM on a daily basis and unfortunately, among their thousands of followers, some are dense enough to believe them.

StaunchMomma · 16/02/2023 17:03

MaPaSpa · 16/02/2023 09:20

You could at the same about Jeremy corbyn and antisemitism :)

I feel like this with him, too. I really liked him so I want to KNOW what he supposedly said/did. If it was just support for Palestine that's one thing, racist language/shunning etc is quite another.

I won't be doing with the numptys and the 'IRA' crap - that was literally his job, nut the antisemtisim thing has really stuck and I neeeeeed the details!!

SinnerBoy · 16/02/2023 17:03

nottodaytomorrow · Today 16:42

www.glamour.com/story/a-complete-breakdown-of-the-jk-rowling-transgender-comments-controversy

Hope this helps

Not really, it's a lightweight article in a lightweight rag, written by 17 year olds, rehashing old bullshit, with nothing to support the assertions.

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/02/2023 17:05

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2023 17:03

Was it Katy or India who said they 'got their chromosomes checked' and 'they were female'?

These two lie their arses off on SM on a daily basis and unfortunately, among their thousands of followers, some are dense enough to believe them.

I'm not even sure they're lying as such. I think what they're saying is untrue and laughably dim but I think they have gone so far past the point that they saying what they actually believe.

TheKeatingFive · 16/02/2023 17:07

Well it's pretty damn concerning that one of them thinks they got their chromosomes checked and it came back 'female' 😬

coconotgrove · 16/02/2023 17:08

StaunchMomma · 16/02/2023 17:03

I feel like this with him, too. I really liked him so I want to KNOW what he supposedly said/did. If it was just support for Palestine that's one thing, racist language/shunning etc is quite another.

I won't be doing with the numptys and the 'IRA' crap - that was literally his job, nut the antisemtisim thing has really stuck and I neeeeeed the details!!

As I have said upthread, antisemitism isn't always about things someone has said, it can also be when someone chooses to remain silent - which is what Corbyn did numerous times when Jewish members of the Labour party complained of antisemitisim.

StephanieSuperpowers · 16/02/2023 17:09

It's terrifying. But it's so beyond normal and possible that I don't believe it's a story they invented to deceive other people - if they were inventing this stuff, I think they'd probably try and keep it even marginally plausible. I think it's a direct product of whatever they need to believe.

Fairislefandango · 16/02/2023 17:09

Well, to be fair, a transwoman does have different biology to a biological woman (ditto a transman/biological man)!

Not biology that a doctor would need explaining to them by their trans patient though - unless they were only trained in treating one sex!

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