No Evidence to suggest abuse of self ID

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This is an interesting thread on Twitter by journalist Róisín Michael on Twitter.

How can governments and organisations continue to get away with saying "there is no evidence" that allowing males to self ID into women's spaces will result in increased predatory behaviour within those spaces when the data is not even being collected.

We already know this happens in the UK in relation to Males in the female prison estate and convictions of male sex offenders being recorded as being carried out by women.

I hadn't quite realised the extent of the problem though and how deep this actually goes. It's horrifying...

@ RóisínMichaux

Belgium has had self ID for almost 5 years. Not a single report of a trans woman crime? Not a single one. No stories of men attacking women in prisons? Not one.

I asked the police why. “We don’t communicate that”.

I asked the press ombudsman: “Why is there not one single report about any crime sexual or otherwise in the Belgian press of either of the country’s languages involving a trans woman since January 2018.”

He said he doesn’t know

I contact lots of journalist. No réponse. I follow up. No answer. Is there a rule, spoken or otherwise? Silence. Try to yourself: search the archives of Belgian papers in Dutch or French for the term “transwoman”

It’s all trans sob stories about living their truth.

Weird no? So I try to find out if sex crimes committed by women have gone up. But the stats are hard to parse, especially when COVID arrives. The police record everything about a crimes except sex. I ask the police repeatedly: when did you stop recording sex and why? Silence

Are there trans women in prison? We don’t record that, fellow Belgian terfs were told. But I got to know some researchers who told me yea, plenty of men in with the women. In fact, there will be more of that soon

The council of Europe apparently has decided that to separate women and men is not a familiar enough environment for reinsertion in the real world (i haven’t confirmed this). So eventually all prisons should be as mixed as possible

So Belgium being the progressive little stalwart it is has gone ahead and carried out 3 separate mixed prison experiments (ongoing, results out 2023). My main takeaway (though I’m a terf so I’m biased):

The top-tier alpha men get women, and pair off. The men who don’t pair off? They get upset and angry and tense. And the prison guards have to deal with the fallout. Prison incels. They are creating prison incels.

The people carrying out this research are young queer theory idealists. One of the prison projects roughly translates as de-gendering prisons (in French). I asked one of them: aren’t the women afraid? She said they would never let anything happen to each other.

One researcher told me that there was a case of a trans “woman” that she was aware of who had a psychotic break and attacked a female prisoner. “But that person was mentally unwell” she told me. Oh ok then!

I contacted social workers from inside prisons “I have a lot to say about that but I can’t” was one response. “I’m burnt out, I need a break” was another. I even contacted journalists who made names for themselves uncovering stories that powerful people wanted hidden. Nope.

So is the fact that there have been no stories (as far as I can tell - and I have searched on and off for months) about transwomen committing sexual crimes evidence that transwomen are not doing so? There is no reason to think this is true.

More likely: as many have pointed out, small chill countries (more dependent on institutions like the EU) like Malta, Ireland and Belgium are the laboratories where this bullshit was tested out on an unsuspecting populace.

The most shameful of all, I believe, Is an organisation I thought would be the last place we could put some hope:

@ investigate_eu : how did this all happen so fast? Where is the pressure coming from? Why the silence?

Investigate Europe didn’t even answer my email.

What a time to be alive: massive changes being stealthily made by shady American donors to our very understanding of reality itself. The investigators? The truth-seekers? Absent. Afraid. Cowed.

But then you look at their donor list: it’s the same people who fund @ ILGAEurope and @ TGEUorg and the lobbies that push this sexist regressive men’s rights movement on us.

We’re all alone. It’s up to us. Start searching, asking questions. They have fucking abandoned us.

Indeed

absence of evidence is not evidence of absence

if you stop recording something it doesn’t magically disappear

I suppose if you don't gather data and look for evidence then we can't accuse them of lying when they say, "there is no evidence". It's almost as if they knew they'd need to cover their arses before the experiment with women's safety even began.

It brings to mind the almost total lack of media coverage of 'Dana Rivers' murdering three people in California.

Every day brings new terrors.

Trans activists violently attacked and vandalised a cafe in Brussels just a few days ago for hosting women discussing women’s rights:

https://twitter.com/CafeLaiqueBXL/status/1603484744058081280

I saw that too and was alternating between horror and a sense of inevitability.

This is exactly the sort of sunshine needed.

Yes.

This is why to me, statistics, data, the census and birth certificate changes are right up there as issues I care about with this. TRAs say that nobody gets asked for their birth certificate and it's a non-issue. Fine, then leaving it as the record of a fact (a woman gave birth to a child of a known sex) shouldn't be an issue. But they make it an issue because in fact data and handwritten birth certificates are a barrier to situations like this - men getting unfettered access to every area of the world with women as the support packaging in that.

I was just going to post this but saw you’d got there first. Thank you.

Yes: amazing how many things can seem problem-free if you don’t record the problems.

Reminds me of Ali G's idea for abolishing crime-make everything legal.

NotBadConsidering is this reported in the local/national press there? Brave women & brave cafe owner

Absolutely agree about recording/reporting issues. Don’t care if ‘gender identified’ is also recorded, but we MUST have sex

I'd like to understand better who these donors are, who exactly are behind them and where their money are coming from.

Just read that back, oops 😂

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I would add that there us no way ti capture women narrowing their lives by staying at home rather than going shopping or swimming or whatever in official stats.

It's only as a result of pressure from individuals & organisations like Fair Play for Women, Keep Prisons Single Sex etc that our captured Ministry of Justice & Home Office have been forced into starting to record data in the UK. Until now it's been "we don't know, no data" literally allowing the predators and their allies to flourish unchecked.

RipxNutmeg has a thread on that café attack in English, if anyone would find that helpful.

It’s heartening to see the robust pushback minimisation attempts get - they’re not letting TRAs get away with whining they “just” smashed a flowerpot when they were lobbing about flowerpots filled with excrement. How on Earth anyone can still be taken in by the vulnerable & marginalised schtick is beyond me, let alone the idea words are “literal violence”. No, literal violence is literal violence; & it’s routinely being carried out by males who are angry women are telling them “no”.

It’s so infuriating that so many people apparently just switched off their critical faculties. No thinking at all; & only one group’s feelings matter. It’s so deeply distressing to think of all the girls & women who’ve been silenced in the name of this ideology. Because we know they exist, offender profiles in the UK are not so radically different, but they’ve been hidden away in service of self-ID & male desires. It is unforgivable & I can only hope that one day they will see real justice.

What is it about the Righteous, violence, and bodily effluvia?

Many trans widows will tell you its a thing.

Ah, 'no evidence' is a useful phrase, isn't it? So long as nobody looks harder at

Suppression of evidence
Language manipulation
Media manipulation
Terrorism, threats and abuse towards anyone raising the issue.
Threats of job loss.

Etc.

We know there is evidence, but apparently the evidence we have is never enough. Therefore there is no evidence.

“The Party told you to reject the evidence of your eyes and ears. It was their final, most essential command."

Oh shit. We’re in it up to our necks aren’t we?

Here's an archived copy of the Twitter thread: archive.ph/xWgaB

Took Scottish prisons long enough to admit that half of the male prisoners transferred to female prisons only changed their gender after they were convicted. This information would not be divulged in future after passing GRR bill. So nothing to see here.

In what crazy world is this allowed to happen? But it is, in Scotland and elsewhere. Why women politicians like NS (but not just her) allow this to happen, I don't understand.

You seem like a nice person...but...I hardly know you. How about we go for coffee and get to know each other a bit first?☕🍩

You're not wrong though The photos look awful, what the hell goes through people's minds to think this is OK?

And yes sex must be continue to be recorded, otherwise what we've been saying will happen will happen and the women's statistics will become meaningless and all the policies that rely on those figures will fall apart.

And we all know which vulnerable group will be mostly impacted and it's the stunningly brave, but getting increasingly pissed off, group that is women.

And yes sex must be continue to be recorded

Maybe another thing to negotiate over the coffee?

I'd better order more cake and doughnuts then and get a top up on the coffees.🍰🍩☕