Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 13

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal please choose a non inflammatory/offensive name, everyone can see it in the chat - This is a court room, please behave accordingly.

The court chat function is there for official court purposes, not for observers, please don't use it unless you have a technical issue.

On the first page underneath where you put your screen name, select the video and mic that are not crossed out (top option), this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from

twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, senior counsel - barrister for SW
RW = Robin White junior counsel to SW - assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, senior counsel - barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell junior counsel to GC - assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Thread 1 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Thread 2 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4542466-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-2

Thread 3 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4545725-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-3

Thread 4 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4546945-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-4

Thread 5 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4548160-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-5

Thread 6 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4550451-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-6

Thread 7 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4551757-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-7

Thread 8 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4552521-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-8

Thread 9 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553181-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-9

Thread 10 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4553754-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-10

Thread 11 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555145-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-11

Thread 12 www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4555687-allison-bailey-v-stonewall-employment-tribunal-hearing-thread-12

Allison Bailey - claimant (4-9, 11-13 May)

Witnesses for the claimant:
Dr Nicola Williams - Fair Play for Women (29 April)
Dr Judith Green - A Woman's Place (29 April)
Kate Barker - LGB Alliance (3 May)
Lisa-Marie Taylor - FiLiA (4 May)

Witnesses for the respondents:

Stephen Lue - barrister for GCC (3-4 May)
Zainab Al-Farabi - ex Stonewall (10 May)
Kirrin Medcalf - head of trans inclusion Stonewall (10 May)
Leslie Thomas - barrister at GCC (13 May)
Sanjay Sood Smith - Stonewall (16 May)
Shaan Knan - LGBT consortium - on STAG (16 May)
Rajiv Menon - joint head of chambers (16-17 May)
Maya Sikand - barrister at GCC (17-18 May)
Mia Hakl-Law - HR senior for GCC (18 May)
Judy Khan - barrister at GCC (19-20 May)
Charlie Tennent - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Luke Harvey - clerk at GCC (20 May)
Louise Hooper - Barrister at GCC (20 May)
Marc Willers - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Stephen Clark - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Liz Davies - Barrister at GCC (23 May)
Katherine McGahy - Bar Council Ethics Committee's VC (24 May)
Tom Wainwright - Barrister at GCC (24 May)
Colin Cook - clerk at GCC (24 May
David Renton - barrister at GCC (20 May, to concluded on 25th May)
David de Menezes - GCC, Head of Marketing

To come:

Michelle Brewer - barrister at GCC at time, now left and a judge.
Kathryn Cronin - barrister at GCC
Stephanie Harrison - joint head of chambers

Actually, three people, all of whom are presumably just as frustrated by all this as we are….

😂

AH/DDM seemed to entirely mix up the concepts of 'protecting one's account' and 'blocking individuals'
Whatever.
At least that is over.

I think there have been some inaccuracies presented about how Twitter works, so some observers are putting concerns in the chat. I wish Ben would have objected in the re-cross. And made the point that witness was contradicting himself. I know is not proper and the Tribunal ought to go there by themselves but given how difficult it is to keep awake wot Mr DdM string of words..

Do you think JR has several versions of that dress she's wearing or is it the same one as yesterday?

I need to not only name change but bath in bleach after all this. If you know you know.

Good grief that was painful. And now we've got Kathryn Cronin to 'look forward to'. Going to find a Daim bar.

That was worse than my ten year old child's blow by blow accounts of Minecraft building activities.

Next witness:
Kathryn Cronin - senior member of Garden Court Chambers and former Joint Head until January 2017; barrister, area of practice: immigation
www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/kathryn-cronin/sao
Role in the case: My understanding is that AB made a request to view correspondence about her by a fellow barrister at GCC, Stephen Simbet QC ( www.gardencourtchambers.co.uk/barristers/stephen-simblet-qc/sao ); the results showed abusive messages about AB and her solicitors by Mr Simbet; AB then filed a complaint with GCC about this, and KC was assigned to investigate AB’s complaint. KC not only rejected AB’s complaint wholesale, but KC took it upon herself to investigate AB, and made a decision that AB’s should APOLOGISE to Mr Simbet for her complaint! Ok then....😳
Bio:
“Kathryn has an extensive and varied immigration, asylum and family law practice. She is known for her representation of vulnerable clients, in particular asylum and human rights cases involving women and children. Kathryn was ranked for immigration (Band 1) and family law in Chambers UK 2019.
Background:
Kathryn was an active member of Chambers from 1980 to 1989, and following varied legal experience in Australia, where she is admitted to practice, she returned to Chambers in June 2001.
In her first period at chambers from 1980 to 1989, Kathryn had an extensive practice in immigration, asylum and family matters. She was particularly involved in cases involving unaccompanied child refugees. She was the author of the handbook published by the Children's Legal Centre entitled: Children: Immigration and Nationality and advised them generally on immigration and nationality issues concerning children.
From 1989 to 1996 Kathryn was associate professor in law at the University of New South Wales, Sydney, Australia, where she lectured and published on immigration, refugee and human rights law, and on children's law issues. From 1989 to 1996 she was also general counsel to the Australian parliamentary committee on immigration and advised the committee and parliament on legislative and policy matters associated with immigration and refugee law, including on the legislative arrangements for the domestic violence and gay partner concessions in the immigration rules.
From 1996 to 2001, Kathryn was commissioner and then deputy president of the Australian Law Reform Commission and principal author of their reports on children in the legal process and on the working practices of the Australian federal and family courts and merits review tribunals, including the immigration and refugee review tribunals.
In addition to her practice at the Bar, Kathryn has continued her academic writing and training - including as a guest lecturer for the 2009 LSE masters programme Understanding Women's Human Rights - for which she wrote the course paper, Women Victims - Criminal, Anti-Trafficking, Asylum and Immigration Law Arrangements.”

How are they going to make that extended and partially incorrect Twitter lesson interesting in the movie? I suggest depicting various characters' thoughts and daydreams while they drone on and on

This is JR's wardrobe, except full to the brim with her 'lucky jackets'...

She presses the wee button and just picks one at random, every day.

Cutting room floor all of that. We'll just have techy green figures and letters across the screen.

I recommend a comedic, droney, montage that intercuts with observers falling asleep at their keyboards.

KC to start

Anyone else cannot see the witness?

I can see her.

This whole case is based around a tweet. Is it really credible that AH would come to tribunal with absolutely no knowledge of twitter?

What was the point of all that?

I manage to extract the information that some of GCC were blocked by Allison. Was there anything else?

Its not plausible that they would not have heard of Helen Steel. The spy cops thing was re-emerging around then iirc. - There is also the keir starmer link

You'd think they could find a QC that is familiar with Twitter and tweeting.

Is it really credible that AH would come to tribunal with absolutely no knowledge of twitter?

At this point nothing would surprise me. Equalities barristers with no knowledge of equalities law etc

BC asking KC asking about a complaint AB made in 2015 about not getting good briefs.

I sense BC is in a hurry. DdM took much longer than expected.

Fuck me, AB's take home pay in 2015 was around £20K. I knew the criminal bar was bad but that's terrible.

I can't see her.

Still DdM's name on a black box, as if my laptop can't quite move on from it either.