Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

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The Tribunal started on 25th April at 10am. If you would like to view online you need to send a request for access as early as possible.

Send an email to

[email protected]

The subject heading of the email request should read

“MEDIA OR PUBLIC ACCESS REQUEST – Case number 2202172/2020 - Ms A Bailey – 25th April 2022.

Then ask for the pin for the online access.

You will be contacted with instructions on how to observe the hearing.

When joining the live tribunal
select the video and mic that are not crossed out, this is the courts vid and mic.
On the next page select NONE on the drop down windows for vid and mic, these are your own video and mic.

You must be muted so as to not disturb the hearing.

There is also live tweeting from twitter.com/tribunaltweets

Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 1 👇

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

So much for starting early. Still wasting time talking about the bundle.

Have a look at the Translation Document in the chat. So much for the bundle being easy to navigate and any mismatch being cured simply by moving on 8 pages or whatever it was. It is such an nightmare it's actually funny.

It is a joke, wasted 15 minutes discussing it today already. I tried to follow, but it is very difficult, by the time you find it, they have moved on.

The bundle won't open today. This isn't transparent, is it?

Oh gawd, I hope MN isn't going to have that multiple-posting glitch all day. I see it's already got me and Tabby.

The clerk instructed anyone who wasn’t speaking to mute themselves, why hasn’t everyone done this?
even the judge should be muted, it’s so distracting when she’s rustling papers.

An appearance of the rare James Murdoch defence by Mr Lue: although I did receive the email, I forwarded it on without reading it.

Discussing SW's instructions to delete 'mother' from maternity Garden Courts (?) policy.

How is this guy a barrister?

Is he ND? I am so no judgment but this writing of things down is .... different.

"I can't remember;" "I don't recall;" "I don't understand it." The Nicola Sturgeon line of defence.

Mr Lue finds all these questions very complex and he really didn't understand 'sex-based rights' or 'gender critical feminism' or any of the concerns of gender critical feminists at the time of signing up to SW. He really doesn't know anything.

Aye, right.

Complex question, my arse. Stephen Lue is a barrister, he can deal with 'complex'.

I hope they discuss gender critical views a bit deeper. Men may not think rapists belong in women's prisons, or men in women's sports, that's not the entirety of what a gender critical view is.

It's not just that sex is immutable. It's critical of gender stereotyping.

If hordes of men were as critical of it as feminist women, it wouldn't be happening nearly as much as it does.

Why is Mr Lue wasting so much time, writing down questions etc It is the equivalent of pigeon steps.

The less evidence is heard the harder it is for AB to prove anything.

Mr Lue's assertion is that he was simply a post box for Stonewall and GCC to use to deliver documents to each other and he didn't apply any thinking to anything that passed through his hands.

It's painful isn't it? The perma-dodge of a yes or no answer makes me extremely thankful muting is working today!

How is this guy a barrister?

Jules he is indeed a barrister.

Furthermore, Stephen was shortlisted in the Legal Aid Lawyer of the Year Awards 2021 for Barrister of the Year - according to Garden Court's website.

I couldn’t possibly comment.

My god I find pronouns so utterly tedious.

If 'you are who you say you are' why is it necessary to state it constantly - even in your screen name??

Excellent point tabby - I recognised the heel-dragging but couldn't think why this might be. Are the respondents hoping we'll all get bored and drop out?

I'm autistic and my brain would be melting down in this situation (unless I could just be totally honest and didn't have to choose my words carefully) but needing time to read things, time for processing the questions etc would help. I also have an Oxbridge degree so I'm pretty bright.

He is coming across as evasive but I can't figure out yet whether it's because he knows he's on a sticky wicket or he's not very good at processing information verbally in which case he might not be in the right job.

BC just made me laugh out loud!

'Can you please answer both?'

There’s a danger that this whole thing is going to grind to a complete halt with Mr Lue laboriously writing everything down and nit-picking over every single question.

Is it normal for a person of Mr Lue's intelligence to write down a question if it has two parts - and then not even answer the questions asked?

'Is it normal for a person of Mr Lue's intelligence to write down a question if it has two parts - and then not even answer the questions asked?'

It's certainly a strategy.