Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 2

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Abbreviations:
AB: Allison Bailey, claimant
BC: Ben Cooper QC, barrister for AB
SW = Stonewall Equality Limited (respondent 1)
IO = Ijeoma Omambala QC, barrister for SW
RW = Robin White assisting IO
GC = Garden Court Chambers Limited (respondent 2) (GCC would be a better abbreviation)
AH = Andrew Hochhauser QC, barrister for GC
JR = Jane Russell assisting AH
RM= Rajiv Menon QC & SH = Stephanie Harrison QC (jointly respondent 3 along with all members of GC except AB)
EJ = Employment Judge Goodman hearing the case
Panel = any one of the three panel members (EJ and two lay members)

Allison Bailey v Stonewall - Employment Tribunal hearing Thread 1 👇

www.mumsnet.com/talk/womens_rights/4529887-Allison-Bailey-v-Stonewall-Employment-Tribunal-hearing?

Just popping on to say that AB has raised over 545k.

I'm looking to see if I can squeeze a bit more gardening in. Would be nice to get it to the full 550.

That's a heck of a lot of people (I'm guessing mostly women) giving small amounts - seeing lots of 5-50 quid donations. I know there's a couple of big ones but the idea there's no support for the GC position is clearly wrong - and it's grassroots support not from bloated organisations rich on lottery funding etc (looking at you Stonewall).

Is Michelle Brewer going to be a witness? I wouldn't be surprised if in this case she will be an Ellen Mackenzie type figure (a key player from the Maya Forstater tribunal).

Is there a witness list? I am viewing the tribunal and the almost impossible to follow bundle but can't find it

Wow, £545k. That's thousands upon thousands of supporters donating.

In my mind, EM will always be Macavity.

Macavity, Macavity, there's no one like Macavity,
For he's a fiend in feline shape, a monster of depravity.
You may meet him in a by-street, you may see him in the square-
But when a crime's discovered, then Macavity's not there!

He's outwardly respectable. (They say he cheats at cards.)
And his footprints are not found in any file of Scotland Yard's
And when the larder's looted, or the jewel-case is rifled,
Or when the milk is missing, or another Peke's been stifled,
Or the greenhouse glass is broken, and the trellis past repair
Ay, there's the wonder of the thing! Macavity's not there!

And when the Foreign Office find a Treaty's gone astray,
Or the Admiralty lose some plans and drawings by the way,
There may be a scrap of paper in the hall or on the stair-
But it's useless to investigate-Macavity's not there!
And when the loss has been disclosed, the Secret Service say:
It must have been Macavity!'-but he's a mile away.

Yup, I believe that if two £50k donations are excluded it averages out at about £50 quid a head.

That's really interesting, Tabby, thanks for that. So it appears that not only were SW and GCC triangulating in order to discriminate but AB has provided the evidence to prove it. (Isn't that what a lot of the delay has been about - waiting on late disclosure on the part of the respondants, and then having to go through it all at a rate of knots?)

Which is an amazing 8,900 donations

'That's really interesting, Tabby, thanks for that. So it appears that not only were SW and GCC triangulating in order to discriminate but AB has provided the evidence to prove it. (Isn't that what a lot of the delay has been about - waiting on late disclosure on the part of the respondants, and then having to go through it all at a rate of knots?)'

I think the evidence is strongly indicative of that for at least one GCC employee.

'Is Michelle Brewer going to be a witness? I wouldn't be surprised if in this case she will be an Ellen Mackenzie type figure (a key player from the Maya Forstater tribunal).'

I don't know. She doesn't work for them anymore so I don't know whether they can make her testify? I'm not sure how that all works.

Will the make up of donors be admissible as evidence of being more female support than male?

I nearly made that comment alongside my donation but I'm not a lesbian so didn't want to skew the statistics

Nearly all the support for AB (unsolicited by her) emailed to GCC was from women.

Having read her whole witness statement, I reverse my position and think she's got them.

Allison's statement is well worth a read. She really is a remarkable woman. Overcome so much adversity and still fighting. I admire her so much.

waves to Ann

I know, Ann, it doesn't seem like it would be an obvious detriment, but in fact it is. Sexual orientation is a protected characteristic. If your public discussion of your actual sexual orientation is regarded as bigoted by your employer, such that it affects you at work, I can't see that that isn't a detriment. AB's actual sexual orientation is towards female people, not people who present as female.

And I include in that any sexual orientation. If someone is attracted to female-presenting people, that's a sexual orientation and is also protected.

£545k that’s incredible. Off to donate some more. I hope she knows how many of us are cheering her on.

I've just finished it - it's jaw dropping. Lots of details I wasn't aware of but I'm absolutely gobsmacked at the conduct of a barrister's chambers over 2 tweets. It's like Maya's employer on steriods. They're supposed to be highly intelligent well educated people!!!!

Talcum X gets another mention for inducing a pile on, against another GC woman.

Bit of a pattern developing...

Me too.

My jaw is actually sore from being wedged to the floor reading it. Unbelievable behaviour by her chambers.

I really hope we hear from Michelle Brewer & Stephanie Harrison. Ben will need to be on his top game for them.

Another one who's read her statement - what an incredible woman - and this is who the wealthy charity Stonewall and a law firm tried to destroy. Unbelievable.

I just felt compelled to change my user name.

Another one who's read her statement - what an incredible woman - and this is who the wealthy charity Stonewall and a law firm tried to destroy. Unbelievable.

Same. So brave to waive her legal anonymity and talk about her abuse when she was a child. And she's worked so hard to get where she is.

This was the thing I was referring to earlier. It's an account of a meeting held by Stonewall with trans activists. It's very interesting to see the options they were considering and to wonder how things might've been very different.

www.complicity.co.uk/blog/2014/08/transstonewall-the-meeting/

That is very interesting, Jules. Thanks for posting it.
😫Oh, the irony in the comments that at least the CEO is now a woman 'which can't do any harm'.