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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

No debate means no understanding

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greengoose21 · 07/03/2022 08:24

I read an article in the Guardian this morning, in which the author says the following:

"According to gender-critical feminists, men who voice their trans-inclusive beliefs on gender identity are bullies and misogynists. It is common among such men to desire the dismantling of patriarchy. I am one of them. Yet I believe the result of the gender-critical argument is that gendered stereotypes are maintained, and patriarchy is consolidated."

It's made me feel so utterly frustrated. He is making a claim that is the complete opposite of what all the GC people I know actually think. And it's maddening, because his entire point in the article is that people should be able to wear what they like. I know, right, just imagine that!

This is where no debate brings us...to a point where people can fundamentally misunderstand and misrepresent their "opponent's" position, because they haven't had a chance to hear/listen to it through the screams of "transphobe".

https://www.theguardian.com/fashion/2022/mar/06/mens-clothes-have-always-been-a-way-to-unpick-the-locks-of-gender-charlie-porter?CMP=ShareiOSAppp_Other

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hryllilegur · 07/02/2023 09:03

but on the one hand they refer to gender stereotypes as negative then immediately go from 'boys can wear skirts' to 'wearing clothes of the opposite gender = trans'. FFS

This is the problem with ‘no debate’ plus the gaslighting of the rest of the population.

The aim isn’t anyone can wear whatever they bloody like. It’s to promote the idea some people are intrinsically trans because they don’t conform to the right stereotypes.

The stereotypes are treated as the organising principle for humans. And yet articles like this want to gaslight us into thinking that w tone critical of that position is ‘right wing’ and ‘regressive’.

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