Shout out to the Gloucester GC dinosaur

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(NC for obvious reasons)

To whoever decorated the bench near the court with suffragette colours and a GC leaflet - you brought a huge smile to my face - thank you. Solidarity, sister dinosaur 💪🦖

I have yet to see a ribbon in the wild.

I've seen some further north.

I've seen some ribbons in the wild in a park and by a famous river near me. It makes me smile whenever I walk by.

Was that dinosaur hoarding its rights under the bench?

Thumbs up to that dinosaur.

It wasn't me. But it did make me smile 🤣

Lots of ribbons in the wild north. Wee statues of dogs with lovely coats in 💚🤍💜 colours too. We also have slates which are beautifully written and decorated.

It’s always cheering to see.

Oooh I'll have to go take a look for it on my lunchbreak.

I do enjoy the appropriation of a dinosaur for gender critical activists, it's quite fitting in representing those with prehistoric views

Yes, because misogyny is famously only a recent fad.

@FlowerTwaw21

I do enjoy the appropriation of a dinosaur for gender critical activists, it's quite fitting in representing those with prehistoric views

My views date back 200 million years, to the evolution of mammals. Not one of them has ever changed sex.

There are lots of animals that change sex, and plenty of mammals that change gender too. Obviously it's fiction, but famously even the dinosaurs change gender in Jurassic Park

You are (unsurprisingly) conflating sex with gender.

Human beings cannot change sex. In human beings, sex is immutable. There may be some other species which can change sex but humans can't.

We've seen some TRA posters claim that they have literally changed sex. This is utter nonsense.

You have your belief. It is not based in reality.

Ooh, how does a dinosaur change 'gender'? I haven't watched the films. Did they slap some lippy on? Strut around in flannel shirts?

@FlowerTwaw21

There are lots of animals that change sex, and plenty of mammals that change gender too. Obviously it's fiction, but famously even the dinosaurs change gender in Jurassic Park

Yeah I'm always really convinced when people's main evidence in a response is the dinosaurs from Jurassic Park. What next, clownfish?

I hate to have spell this out, but just because animals can do something doesn't mean humans can. Some animals can fly; doesn't mean humans can. So entirely spurious argument I'm afraid.

Notice how you had to have mammals changing gender because no mammal ever has changed sex. Glad you understand that. How do you know which animals to milk, keep for laying eggs etc. Such a conundrum.

Nope very aware of the difference between sex and gender (I have a biology degree). The reality is, is that if people feel they are a different gender they should have the right to live how they please. I don't disagree that sex is a biological phenomenon, I do disagree that gender is biological.

Gender is a social construct and people should have the rights to live according to what fits best for them, be it as the gender assigned at birth, a different gender, or no gender at all if that suits. That's not misogyny, that's just being a decent human being.

Like I said, if you believe otherwise you have rather prehistoric views, so by all means, please do continue to use dinosaur iconography- it does give me a chuckle.

@FlowerTwaw21

There are lots of animals that change sex, and plenty of mammals that change gender too. Obviously it's fiction, but famously even the dinosaurs change gender in Jurassic Park

There are in fact a tiny number of animals that change sex: a few dozen fish species, some slugs and frogs,, oh and coral. This is out of - at the least - 3 million species on Earth (some biologists would say there are many more).

No mammals change sex.

Humans are not clownfish.

But if you think humans are anything like the animals and plants that can adaptively change sex, then you were obviously educated back in prehistoric times.

And please tell us what mammals have genders.

If gender is a social construct, how can it be assigned at birth? I mean people ‘assume your gender’ based on your stereotypes don’t they? and babies are just babies (mine don’t come out wearing heels, although her elbows were sharp enough to make me wince )

People are free to live the gender they want until it impacts on other’s rights and needs. Then people’s gender should never have the priority above sex.

Why should it? Why should someone’s need to have their gender recognised cause any harm to others?

The reality is, is that if people feel they are a different gender they should have the right to live how they please.

Great. My gender is norapistsinwomensprisonsgender apart from Tuesdays when I'm nomalesinwomensrefugesgender.

Glad to hear I, and other people with the same gender, have the right to live how we please. How will you help us access these rights?

@FlowerTwaw21 the point is that it’s fine for people to change gender - as long as that doesn’t affect the safety of another marginalised group (women). We should have a world where we can protect trans people without that creating a loophole which can lead to safety issues for women. If we are allowed to have an adult debate about it I am sure we will find solutions that work for all. Thing is we aren’t even allowed to debate it without being shouted at and cancelled.

but famously even the dinosaurs change gender in Jurassic Park

The dinosaurs? The? It was the specific dinosaur species into which Wu's team had spliced Rana (frog) DNA. The novel was very clear on this point.

Have you been genetically engineered using frog DNA?