Shout out to the Gloucester GC dinosaur

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(NC for obvious reasons)

To whoever decorated the bench near the court with suffragette colours and a GC leaflet - you brought a huge smile to my face - thank you. Solidarity, sister dinosaur 💪🦖

@FlowerTwaw21

There are lots of animals that change sex, and plenty of mammals that change gender too. Obviously it's fiction, but famously even the dinosaurs change gender in Jurassic Park

Humans are not clown fish.

And it always gives me a chuckle to see TRA's demonstrate that they - don't understand what the term 'gender critical' means and state quite gender critical views themselves.

Gender Critical feminists (generally) believe that -

Sex is biological, fixed and women in particular face discrimination because of their sexed bodies. There are certain reasons why women need single sex spaces due to their biology.

Gender is a social construct and are critical of the gender roles imposed on people because they are a certain sex.

I couldn't care less which gender someone else feels themselves to be, how they present, what pronouns they want to use etc etc but I care when this feeling of gender impacts on provisions and rights which are linked with sex.

And is impacting on these rights. Women are being raped in prison because transgender sexual offenders are being housed in the female estate. Women are losing out on sporting chances because someone with a male body is taking a female place because of their gender identity. Women are self excluding from rape crisis services because males are present in 'single sex' groups.

I find it astounding that TRA's are happy to argue against vulnerable women's rights on the basis that someone's gender identify should allow them to access single sex spaces. And will do so with slurs, abuse, violence, deplatforming, doxxing etc etc etc etc.

If it makes me a dinosaur to think that gender identify doesn't supercede sex based rights, then I'm happy to identify as a dinosaur.

Or frogs. Didn't expect to have to make this point today, but there you go.

On a happier note, I will share with you that I am, once again, wearing all black in honour of my childhood hero, Dr Malcolm, from the novel Jurassic Park.

Gender is a social construct and people should have the rights to live according to what fits best for them, be it as the gender assigned at birth, a different gender, or no gender at all if that suits. That's not misogyny, that's just being a decent human being.

You know what, I agree with this, right up to the point where them doing so infringes on the rights of others.

So if any of our team wanted to change gender then I'd support them. (Try and) use the right name, right pronouns. As you say, it's just being a decent human being.

What wouldn't I support:
*Physiological males competing in womens sports.
*Male sexual offenders in womens prisons.
*Biological males on womens hospital wards, changing rooms, or other spaces which are single sex for the protection of women.

What I also don't support:
*Children being given drugs which will render them infertile and unable to grow to have an adult sexlife. Especially as the evidence is at least two thirds will grow out of their gender dysphoria with time and support.

Other than that, totally yes.

I am Dinosaur, hear me roar.

@PurgatoryOfPotholes

Or frogs. Didn't expect to have to make this point today, but there you go.

On a happier note, I will share with you that I am, once again, wearing all black in honour of my childhood hero, Dr Malcolm, from the novel Jurassic Park.

Toad women are women.

I mean, citing a science fiction novel as your first piece of evidence isn’t exactly the most convincing argument I’ve seen …

And not even that, but citing it wrongly (as Purgatory brilliantly pointed out - I really love the sentence 'Have you been genetically engineered using frog DNA?')

🦖 and 🐸 for everyone.

Be right back, I'm off to comment on one of the climate change threads, using the film The Day After Tomorrow as the basis for my point.

Gender is a social construct and people should have the rights to live according to what fits best for them

Agree, up to the point that what fits best for them impinges on, removes or seeks to destroy the sex based rights of others.

be it as the gender assigned at birth, a different gender, or no gender at all if that suits.

Gender is not assigned at birth, sex is observed and recorded. This part of your argument is where all the risible nonsense starts from.

@FlowerTwaw21

Nope very aware of the difference between sex and gender (I have a biology degree). The reality is, is that if people feel they are a different gender they should have the right to live how they please. I don't disagree that sex is a biological phenomenon, I do disagree that gender is biological.

Gender is a social construct and people should have the rights to live according to what fits best for them, be it as the gender assigned at birth, a different gender, or no gender at all if that suits. That's not misogyny, that's just being a decent human being.

Like I said, if you believe otherwise you have rather prehistoric views, so by all means, please do continue to use dinosaur iconography- it does give me a chuckle.

So you have completely misunderstood the GC position then. What a massive surprise.

Yes and in Minority Report Tom Cruise solves crimes before they happen. I’m voting that our crime policy is to wire up three psychics in a paddling pool.

Back to the thread topic, it sounds lovely to see ribbons in the wild.

I would love to see ribbons I hadn't put up. I saw a sticker once that had nowt to do with me and I nearly cheered!

I really hope Gloucestersaurus sees the lovely thank-you.

Sex-segregated spaces are necessary because SEX matters. Gender is completely irrelevant to the prison, hospital ward, refuge, changing room someone should go in.

There's two things than don't match in the TWAW narrative. Well there's lots. But for today...

Gender is an internal identity and immutable.
Vs
Gender is a social construct and humans can change gender.

Which is it, eh? Make your damn minds up.

God I worry about how thick people are.

The For Women Scotland website has some brilliant examples of ribboning, stickering and slating 'in the wild' all over Scotland. One ribbon I put up ages ago is still there and someone has beautifully plaited it. It cheers me up everytime I see it.

Women won't wheesht. Big thanks to the Gloucestersaurus.

@FlowerTwaw21

Nope very aware of the difference between sex and gender (I have a biology degree). The reality is, is that if people feel they are a different gender they should have the right to live how they please. I don't disagree that sex is a biological phenomenon, I do disagree that gender is biological.

Gender is a social construct and people should have the rights to live according to what fits best for them, be it as the gender assigned at birth, a different gender, or no gender at all if that suits. That's not misogyny, that's just being a decent human being.

Like I said, if you believe otherwise you have rather prehistoric views, so by all means, please do continue to use dinosaur iconography- it does give me a chuckle.

You seem to think gender critical people want to see everyone forced to live according to restrictive stereotypes. This is the opposite of what we want. Sex is real. There is no identifying out of it. This has certain consequences in terms of one's physical size and strength, and for the reproductive role one would have if one chose/was able to reproduce.

Accept that and dress/behave however you like. If you are male and want to have long hair and express the full range of emotions, go ahead, good for you. If you are female and want to have short hair, wear flat shoes and no makeup and be a welder, brilliant.

I think gender is a load of baloney, personally. A lot of it seems to come down to what we used to call personality.

@WomaninBoots

Sex-segregated spaces are necessary because SEX matters. Gender is completely irrelevant to the prison, hospital ward, refuge, changing room someone should go in.

There's two things than don't match in the TWAW narrative. Well there's lots. But for today...

Gender is an internal identity and immutable.
Vs
Gender is a social construct and humans can change gender.

Which is it, eh? Make your damn minds up.

God I worry about how thick people are.

Yes, there is no consistent, coherent narrative let alone a logical, evidence based one.

Gender is a social construct and people should have the rights to live according to what fits best for them, be it as the gender assigned at birth, a different gender, or no gender at all

I think people who misrepresent the GC position in this way simply can't accept just how disadvantaged women are by biology.

I assume that the men don't give a shit.

I assume that the women are too shit scared to admit it to themselves. Much better to pretend that they're A-OK with being alone in a confined space with a strange man. then they can fool themselves that their lives are safe, innit?

anyhoo

I'm very much looking forward to seeing some ribbons in the wild

There are lots of animals that change sex, and plenty of mammals that change gender too.

What does "mammals changing gender" entail exactly?

@Ereshkigalangcleg

There are lots of animals that change sex, and plenty of mammals that change gender too.

What does "mammals changing gender" entail exactly?

That puzzled me too, given that we're all agreed gender is a social construct. Do wolf packs or dolphin pods have a culture which includes the concept of gender maybe? How could a human possibly tell?

What does "mammals changing gender" entail exactly?

New for Disney Plus in 2021:

The Lion King: A New Pride. Simba, now a middled-aged lion, reveals to Nala that he’s never been happy wearing a mane, and always wants to be with the other lionesses, doing the hunting and so on. Nala and the other lionesses object, saying the hunting pack is female only, they’re entitled to their own female space. Simba, under advisement of cross-dressing Timon, leaves Nala and daughter Kiara to find a new pride, the Rainbow Pride, made up of all different animals who identify as lions, where Simba can finally be the maneless lioness she always wanted to be. Nala starts posting on the trans(lion) widows thread.

What does "mammals changing gender" entail exactly?

I think it means drawing them with more (or less, depending on the intended direction of change) prominent eyelashes.

Not seen this but happened to spend an hour or so in Gloucester Museum the other day and it has a good dinosaur section. In fact it’s a great little museum, well worth a visit.

One of my boy dogs wears a hot pink harness when we go walking. He's also quite emotional and clingy. I reckon he's changed gender. best get him booked in for the nadgers to come off ASAP!