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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Martina, Outsports and leaked letter

52 replies

lionheart · 03/08/2020 11:50

Here is the letter that was signed by 300 plus women who are standing up for equality in sports. Leaked, of course:

www.outsports.com/2020/8/2/21351786/ncaa-300-women-athletes-signatories-letter-save-womens-sports-transgender-inclusion

Martina Navratilova

'So Dawn Ennis is trying again to shame me and all the women athletes that signed this letter? Saying we are hiding? None of us are hiding. We are only trying to keep a level playing field for girls and women competing in sports. No limit inclusion is unfortunately not possible.'

OP posts:
lionheart · 03/08/2020 11:50

Of course the women who signed are about to get their feet put to the fire and could do with support.

OP posts:
JustHereWithMyPopcorn · 03/08/2020 11:52

What a bunch of complete arseholes. I'm so tired of this ridiculous, harmful shit but proud of those female athletes or stadning up for themselves under this huge barrage of erasure.

334bu · 03/08/2020 11:57

Outsports getting hammered on twitter for doxxing and also for stating that transwomen should be allowed to compete with women

DianasLasso · 03/08/2020 11:59

Out PenisSports are, as Just so succinctly puts it, a bunch of complete arseholes.

Well done those 300+ brave, principled women.

Couple of reminders of why this matters:
boysvswomen.com/#/

Emma Hilton reviews the scientific literature:
fairplayforwomen.com/emma_hilton/

DianasLasso · 03/08/2020 12:02

Outsport's tweet, and the responses:
twitter.com/outsports/status/1290078865369399296

To coin a phrase, "only here for the ratio."

Collidascope · 03/08/2020 12:10

Weirdly aggressive article. Nice to see Dawn's retained that fury that male socialisation encourages men to feel about women who say no to them.

NotBadConsidering · 03/08/2020 12:12

The Twitter thread is gold! Fuck you Dawn Ennis! (Worth Googling to get some of Dawn’s backstory as a trans woman Hmm)

Martina is awesome. She really is.

DianasLasso · 03/08/2020 12:15

Xanthangum - I'd forgotten that thread! Very enlightening.

SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonito · 03/08/2020 12:22

Heartening comments on the Twitter thread. No wonder the TRAs wanted #nodebate. The more people know about this, the faster it all comes tumbling down.

HPFA · 03/08/2020 12:27

@SirSamuelVimesBlackboardMonitoamuel

I was just about to say the same thing!

I think that it might have finally occured to many activists that this is a battle they should not be fighting. They cannot hope to convince the vast majority that biological males competing in womens sports are anything other than cheats.

nauticant · 03/08/2020 12:30

Dawn Ennis. Do your image search.

Thelnebriati · 03/08/2020 12:38

Both the GRA and The Equality Act protect single sex sports.

DianasLasso · 03/08/2020 12:48

@Thelnebriati

Both the GRA and The Equality Act protect single sex sports.
If the sporting body in question chooses to use them!

And therein lies the problem - so many sports bodies have been Stonewall-lawed.

The RFU have been the first to publicly row back (I suspect in large part because teams need to carry huge liability insurance and the insurance companies just weren't going to wear it).

Kantastic · 03/08/2020 12:49

Wow, what a horrible article. Two males (Karleigh Webb and Dawn Ennis) trying to send the mob after 300 women who were standing up for womens' rights.

Glad to see it blow up in their faces, at least on Twitter. I scrolled down quite a way and couldn't find a single comment supporting Outsports. Hopefully the women will be okay, they had good reasons for wanting their names kept secret.

Xanthangum · 03/08/2020 13:44

From the Outsports artice:

Despite what some may say, this is not a witch-hunt.

Err, yes that's exactly what this is. That's why you are denying it.

We oppose all violence

Who brought violence up?

especially the significantly greater incidents of violent attacks on trans people, and murders. compared to the number of threats that cisgender opponents of trans inclusion have claimed and reported.

Scaremongering. No evidence. DARVO much?

We sought these names in the public interest, because those who stand in favor of discrimination ought to be held accountable. And that’s all this is.

We will now go back to reading The Crucible. Does my privilege look big in this enormous arrogancedress?

EyesOpening · 03/08/2020 14:19

@334bu

Outsports getting hammered on twitter for doxxing and also for stating that transwomen should be allowed to compete with women
I think you mean “an own goal”!
Siameasy · 03/08/2020 14:38

This was so obviously posted to encourage a pile-on but these people are deluded if they think the public are behind this because even woke people I know do not support TW in women’s sports

highame · 03/08/2020 14:42

So, if the wokerati don't support Transwomen in sport, why do they support TWAW? If TWAW then they get to play women's sports regardless of what the wokerati might think, or have I misthunk?

zanahoria · 03/08/2020 14:47

But Martina Navratilova and her cosigners could not hide from us

Nor can you hide the sinister sub text of that statement

Kit19 · 03/08/2020 14:49

Exactly Dianas- you only have to read through the E&D statements/website of any sports body to see they’ve been stonewalled

But then they get all take their lead from sport england which is up to its neck in TWAW

Siameasy · 03/08/2020 14:53

So, if the wokerati don't support Transwomen in sport, why do they support TWAW? If TWAW then they get to play women's sports regardless of what the wokerati might think, or have I misthunk?

I think it’s because NO ONE actually believes TWA actual W but they are spineless enough to pretend all the other times but sports is what peaks almost everyone.

MoltenLasagne · 03/08/2020 15:01

Well done those 300+ women. What a sinister article - full of rage and entitlement. "We oppose violence but here are the names and locations of women doing something we don't like... just in case"

Deliriumoftheendless · 03/08/2020 15:01

Despite this ducking stool and big black hat, this is not a witch-hunt

SerenityNowwwww · 03/08/2020 15:05

So the letter was ‘Oopsy, pressed send to all’ leaked?