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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

Martina, Outsports and leaked letter

52 replies

lionheart · 03/08/2020 11:50

Here is the letter that was signed by 300 plus women who are standing up for equality in sports. Leaked, of course:

www.outsports.com/2020/8/2/21351786/ncaa-300-women-athletes-signatories-letter-save-womens-sports-transgender-inclusion

Martina Navratilova

'So Dawn Ennis is trying again to shame me and all the women athletes that signed this letter? Saying we are hiding? None of us are hiding. We are only trying to keep a level playing field for girls and women competing in sports. No limit inclusion is unfortunately not possible.'

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ScrimpshawTheSecond · 03/08/2020 15:08

They should have their arses sued off them for endangering women.

nepeta · 03/08/2020 15:15

This is not the first time something like this has happened. I have the strong impression that ends justify the means very much for at least the most ardent of trans activists.

I recall an earlier case where Jezebel (a pseudo-feminist site) published posts which someone had leaked from a private listserve to attack Jesse Singal.

The posts by other people who had participated in whatever the specific discussion was about were also published though the names of the posters were deleted. Still, I thought the move was a nasty one.

If I had been the editor I would not have accepted material acquired in that particular way. Besides, what Jezebel published was quite tame and didn't support the arguments the author tried to make about Singal. So another own goal, based on what I remember about the comments on Jezebel.

truthisarevolutionaryact · 03/08/2020 15:53

That twitter thread is definitely arse on plate Grin

Collidascope · 03/08/2020 16:03

They've now retweeted this sheer idiocy of a tweet:

mobile.twitter.com/TheChrisMosier/status/1290291856719273984

Nicely sums up cancel culture where the punishment inflicted by a kangaroo court becomes in itself the proof of wrongdoing.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 03/08/2020 16:03

“The anti-trans group, Save Women’s Sports” Hmm that’s a rather nice phrase to make people think.

May I take this opportunity to say how much I love Coach Blade? She’s awesome (My love for Martina is long standing Grin)

unwashedanddazed · 03/08/2020 16:11

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SetYourselfOnFire · 03/08/2020 22:03

Martina is my hero.

These are abusers using the threat of male violence to control and subjugate women. We can all see you.

PotholeParadise · 04/08/2020 02:16

Outsports keep retweeting and getting ratio'd all over again on the new tweet.

wellbehavedwomen · 04/08/2020 06:57

Horrid, awful women not allowing people with prostates to cheat their way into women's medals, records, prize money and scholarship opportunities. How very dare they. Hmm

RiotAndAlarum · 04/08/2020 13:48

@PotholeParadise

Outsports keep retweeting and getting ratio'd all over again on the new tweet.
So why is Outsports bringing it to everyone's attention, again and again? It really is spectacularly dumb.

Yes, it's intimidating to be on the receiving end of being doxxed and shouted at, but these are sportwomen. Their proofs (validation) are physical: time, distance, speed, weight. They watch sports themselves, so they're part of a community which understands and responds to unfair play. And they're primed to respond to the roar of the gender-critical crowd, willing their truth to succeed.

highame · 04/08/2020 13:51

And they're primed to respond to the roar of the gender-critical crowd, willing their truth to succeed.

Pure poetry 😀

ThePurported · 04/08/2020 14:11

May I take this opportunity to say how much I love Coach Blade? She’s awesome

Yes! Her thread about the history and current situation of women's sports is brilliant:

mobile.twitter.com/coachblade/status/1246129224714350592

"THIS is what the struggle was about!
👉🏼Parity of OPPORTUNITY

THIS is what AliceMilliat and the FSFI and ALL those amazing female athletes of the past 100+years were fighting for

How bitterly IRONIC, then, that after all the struggles, we arrive at near parity only to find the IOC now inviting male athletes into our category!?
The BETRAYAL for people like me is both immense and profound.
How can this policy not tarnish the OlympicGames brand?!"

RiotAndAlarum · 04/08/2020 16:31

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SunsetBeetch · 04/08/2020 16:48

What a disgusting rag Out Sports is. The hatred for women is crystal clear. Imagine being worse than Pink News!

nauticant · 04/08/2020 19:15

This is remarkable:

twitter.com/McKenzieKellyD/status/1290274316177743873

I wish I could confirm the source of the text but the original article isn't available in the EU.

nauticant · 04/08/2020 19:26

Why is it that really weird stuff like that seems to come up so frequently?

nauticant · 04/08/2020 19:26

Rhetorical question, naturally.

TorkTorkBam · 04/08/2020 19:43

What a relief to see all those sensible supportive responses.

There is the odd one saying TW don't have male sex advantage over women. They mostly get someone pushing back, they double down on the batshit, then everyone ignores. You can almost feel the eye rolls.

ThePurported · 04/08/2020 20:25

This is remarkable

How... confusing.
What is their current name and preferred pronouns?

nauticant · 04/08/2020 20:41

In brief the sequence has been masculine, then feminine, then a declaration that it was Mrs Ennis's fault and so back to masculine, and of recent times back to feminine. I think the name Dawn Ennis has been used for the past several years. Pronouns: She/Her.

Gibbonsgibbonsgibbons · 04/08/2020 20:45

@nauticant

Rhetorical question, naturally.
Grin
MrsNoah2020 · 04/08/2020 20:49

It's heartening that TRAs are such fools. If there's one issue guaranteed to align 90% of the population against them, it's TW in sport. Even my wokest lib fem friend agrees that sports should be segregated by sex.

TorkTorkBam · 04/08/2020 21:11

TW in sport peaks so many men.

BatShite · 04/08/2020 21:57

Save Women’s Sports sent its letter asking the NCAA for a “fair and level playing field” for women’s sports — coded language which means the group opposes trans women being allowed to compete with women

For fucks sake..cdd language indeed

Well at least they aren't hiding their contempt for women/womens sports I guess. Fancy those uppity bitches wanting a fair playing field, when this upsets men.