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Megan Murphy interview on males in female jails

31 replies

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/12/2019 12:53

Absolutely horrendous and essential viewing.

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OvaHere · 10/12/2019 13:31

This is just horrendous. Please watch the whole segment and listen to what is happening in the women's estate.

PreseaCombatir · 10/12/2019 16:12

This is awful, there is no excuse for what they’re doing.
Since when did trans peoples pain become the most special?

GrinitchSpinach · 10/12/2019 17:34

I haven't finished watching yet, but am so horrified by Heather's account of sex offenders taking advantage of transfers to women's prison in order to continue offending against female inmates and guards alike.

Also the idea that the prison service will pay for breast implants for self-declared transwomen but not birth control pills (used for many reasons beyond birth control) for female inmates.

GrinitchSpinach · 10/12/2019 17:38

Also, "male behavior and impulses do not leave if you have the surgery" is such an important point when it comes to serious convicted pedophiles like this:

vancouversun.com/news/local-news/ex-cop-baffled-why-brampton-pedophile-not-a-dangerous-offender/wcm/8c8d1798-e1f4-4fd3-ad94-54db962e1727

GrinitchSpinach · 10/12/2019 17:48

"Do men need to be taught how to be assertive? Or should I say murderers and pedophiles?"

This interview is dynamite. The difference between crimes perpetrated by women and those perpetrated by men is stark.

Atalune · 10/12/2019 17:49

Christ.

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/12/2019 17:53

This interview is dynamite

Absolutely; the way these predators twist the system is sickening.

And the women aren't allowed free contraception when they leave to go to a safe house, yet the males get breast implants.

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BarbaraStrozzi · 10/12/2019 20:11

Just got round to watching this.

Fucking hell. This is just appalling.

NeurotrashWarrior · 10/12/2019 20:50

'Female prison guards are now not allowed to refuse to do strip searches... (name of self id male prisoner) had a hard on while they did them'

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FredaFrogspawn · 10/12/2019 21:25

They are doing what the Catholic Church did with priests who were exposed as molesters and rapists of children - moving them around as soon as it becomes untenable in one prison/half way house so they can offend again in another. Are no lessons ever learned ?

pombear · 10/12/2019 22:01

For anyone watching this and thinking, well, it's Canada, not the UK - this is absolutely coming/has come to the UK already (Karen White anyone?/Tara Hudson petition and their 6 inch surprise/transwoman's wing in women's prison, where the males who identify as women are still able to share spaces with the women in gym space etc/etc etc)

What's also gutting to hear is that the women's organisations that Heather had gone to for support are pretty much ostracising any woman who speaks out about this.

I struggle to understand any woman politician who wants to bat this issue away under the LGBTQIA rainbow, such as:

  • Jo Swinson lesbians can be abusive too, think about the vulnerable men - who identify as women
  • Sarah Woolaston there will be a separate route for predatory men who might abuse self-ID
could watch this interview and still be on point for self-ID.

Helen Belcher should not be your compass point for making policy. These women should be. The really vulnerable women you are all ignoring. Not just in Canda. Your woke policies will do this to UK women too.

(And Labour, and Greens, and Conservatives - I'm looking at you too. You've managed to sneak under the radar here, whilst Jo Swinson gets the heat. You're all complicit)

Birdsfoottrefoil · 10/12/2019 22:24

This is why when the times announces that trans are ‘most vulnerable’ they are also failing women as it ignores the fact that women are far more vulnerable and need protection.

midcenturylegs · 10/12/2019 23:54

Bumping

BarbaraStrozzi · 11/12/2019 07:12

Worth another bump this morning. I really want people to watch this and see what the reality is for women in prison in Canada.

I'd love to make Jo Swinson, Maria Miller and Dawn Butler watch it.

SarahTancredi · 11/12/2019 09:28

It all seems so obvious that this is what would happen. Yet still this interview manages to shock.

Female guards shouldn't have to search men full stop let alone ones with erections.

The statistics are horrific. And the idea that women will not be able to have their babies with them because the staff need guns to control people who shouldnt even be there..wtf.

It's not a prison it's a horror/snuff movie. Fucks sake.

SarahTancredi · 11/12/2019 09:44

And we all knew this had nothing to do with safety or theyd have been happy with third spaces etc but to have this confirmed that only 2 applications cited safety concerns...

How do we get the idiots banging on about marginalisation and safety and violence to watch this and realise they have been had

SawingForTeens · 11/12/2019 14:03

Christ on a bike

Started watching yesterday...had to pause.
Finished now. Just completely distraught at the state of things.

ThePurported · 11/12/2019 14:56

Horrendous. Rapists and paedophiles identifying into the women's estate.

Recent thread about UK sex offenders and GRCs

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3755910-Prisoner-denied-GRS-court-case?pg=5&order=

MoleSmokes wrote:

"Tweets by @ jennyrossity 27 Nov 2018

Earlier Peter Tatchell disingenuously defended women’s rights by telling us we’re wrong to fear transwomen. In general I agree, but we should be afraid that in a cohort of 120 sex offenders given anti-androgens in prison almost half then decided to transition.

And we should be extremely worried that in order to ease prison over-crowding the government has suggested widening that cohort to 1,500 sex offenders in order to release them. Source:
www.express.co.uk/news/politics/944275/sexual-offender-chemical-castration-ministry-justice-worboys

A side effect of anti-androgens is that they cause those taking them to grow breasts. We have treated sex offenders with anti-androgens since 2007:
insidetime.org/download/publications/prison_related/Use-of-Med-to-treat-SexOff_PSJ176.pdf

(@ thefishgod Nov 27 Replying to @ jennyrossity
Let me get this right: the government are creating trans prisoners?)"

Have any journalists looked into this?

OldCrone · 11/12/2019 15:57

For anyone watching this and thinking, well, it's Canada, not the UK - this is absolutely coming/has come to the UK already

The new prison policy for the UK (came into force on 31 October) states that " all individuals who are transgender must be initially allocated to part of the estate which matches their legally recognised gender".

assets.publishing.service.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/825621/transgender-pf.pdf

This means that any man with a GRC which makes him legally female will be placed in a women's prison.

Under the self ID policy which the Lib Dems and Labour both have in their manifesto, that means that any male offender could sign a declaration that he intends to 'live as a woman' and it will be his legal right to go to a women's prison.

Jo Swinson thinks that the proposed changes to the GRA are trivial:
""What we're proposing is just a change in the way in which people can apply to change their birth certificate."

Labour and the Lib Dems don't seem to understand what the consequences are of being able to change the sex marker on your birth certificate. Are they stupid or do they think we are?

TheCuriousMonkey · 11/12/2019 16:24

Just awful. Jo Swinson needs to see this. If, as she claims, she is genuinely happy with men in women's loos, I look forward to hearing her justify sex offenders in women's prisons. Anna in Warwickshire, Emma Barnett, Justin Webb, Nick Robinson, et al, please will one of you ask her.

happydappy2 · 11/12/2019 16:51

Have just watched the video, it is staggering that this is the reality for women prisoners in Canada. Sex offenders & paedophiles requesting transfer to the female estate and being given it. This has to stop.
Crazy that staff can not refuse to do a strip search, even when the ma’am has an erection.

KatvonHostileExtremist · 11/12/2019 16:57

Mind blowing stuff

Oncewasblueandyellowtwo · 11/12/2019 21:14

Thanks for the link neuro
It's barbaric, caging women with sex offenders and pedophiles.
I can't believe anyone could watch this and disregard this woman's concerns.
Link to the Toronto sun article:

www.google.com/amp/s/torontosun.com/news/national/hunter-trans-killers-baby-rapists-terrifying-female-inmates/AMP

Wineloffa · 11/12/2019 21:47

Wow!!! People need to watch this. Mind blowing!

BarbaraStrozzi · 11/12/2019 21:58

Even leaving the trans stuff aside, the stuff she has to say about life in jail (locally run, all remand prisoners go there) is so shocking. 5'X7' cells with three beds in. Then they cram a fourth woman in, sleeping on the floor, legs under one bed, head beside the toilet!

And her point that most women are in for drugs related offences, which generally speaking stem from starting out by self-medicating to get over abusive childhoods. Also indigenous women are massively over-represented among the prison population.

There's this huge disconnect between Canada's public image (tolerant, liberal, lovely rainbow nation of many people living in ethnic and gender-woke harmony, in an eco-paradise, with a super-woke, liberal PM everyone loves) and what's actually happening (murder of indigenous women, shocking conditions in jail, logging/fracking like there's no tomorrow - which possibly there won't be, with a PM with a penchant for blacking up and trying to cover up dodgy real estate scandals).

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