Well done Fiona McKenzie (we can't consent to this)

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Just saw the front page of the guardian at the supermarket - concern about use of rough sex defences.
www.theguardian.com/law/2019/nov/22/concern-over-use-rough-sex-gone-wrong-defence-uk-courts

The campaign group "we can't consent to this" was quoted.

I know that was set up by a poster on here after we discussed it on numerous threads do I just wanted to say well done. And let's keep the pressure up. I'm going to write to my MP.

Yes, well done to them indeed, this is excellent.

I didn't realise she was a poster on here. Well done Fiona Mackenzie!
Men can't continue to get away with this.

I saw this in the shop this morning - well done that woman!

Hope I haven't outed her

www.mumsnet.com/Talk/womens_rights/3459232-We-Cant-Consent-to-This-all-the-sex-game-gone-wrong-defences

Sometime I think we just chat on here to no purpose then i see stuff like this and realise it does make a difference, it does help show how badly women are treated by society in lots of ways

So proud of the feminists on here

Bravo Fiona!

And yes, proud of the women here who centre women and not only talk and share information but write to people, go to meetings, share resources, set up campaigns, go and ask questions in M&S.....

It does make a real difference.

I am so thrilled to have my very own mumsnet thread! First you lurk on FWR, then you feel compelled to register and post (just once), and then you're furious and your MN-birthed campaign is on front page.

We're also in the Sunday Times this morning
www.thetimes.co.uk/article/killers-go-free-thanks-to-fifty-shades-defence-6l9s5976q

And Joan Smith wrote a piece which I am thrilled by, because I luffs Joan Smith
www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2019/nov/22/rough-sex-defence-indefensible-grace-millane-murder

I take my hat off to you. This is so important and at last public. As a parent of daughters my heart breaks for those parents. Well done to you and everyone working with' We Can't Consent'.

And thank you

We get as much site traffic from mumsnetters as we do from any of these big pieces.

Just in case anyone's not seen what we're asking for:
wecantconsenttothis.uk/actnow

And keep an eye out this week, there is more press still to come. I think we spoke with 50 journalists over Friday and Saturday this week - if some good can come from what happened to Grace Millane, it's that it woke everyone up to the horror of these defences.

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Well done Fiona.

Sharetoken link for the Sunday Times piece:

www.thetimes.co.uk/article/killers-go-free-thanks-to-fifty-shades-defence-6l9s5976q?shareToken=3dc179f165d639b168a9d3521c47e8b3

Woman this is FANTASTIC. Thank you so much for all you are doing for women. So important and you’re generating critical mass for actual legal change. Thank you.

Woman 🥊🥊💪💪⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
Awesome work

It's good innit! We can make change.

We've done quite a bit of tv and radio with more this week. Will post links when I get a mo to put them up

BTW we are at twitter and Facebook and Instagram if you want to keep up with all the news...

I am so thrilled to have my very own mumsnet thread! First you lurk on FWR, then you feel compelled to register and post (just once), and then you're furious and your MN-birthed campaign is on front page.

Thank you, thank you, thank you.

What an achievement!

I've just read the article in the Times. Very well done to you Woman - and thank you. At times when it feels impossible to roll back this tide of sewage porn soaked ideology that our children and young people are drowning in, along you come.

And those comments... an apparently female poster "Surely it is not an issue of concent...... but of intent" - talkabout signing your own death warrant"

Sorry guv, I didn't mean to!

Brilliant article there.
I am however quite annoyed that Fifty Shade, a book, a work of fiction, is being pointed at, rather than the extreme porn on the internet.
That still implies women are driving this increase, by asking for BDSM after reading fifty shades. Whereas it's more likely to be men either getting into violence through porn, or already being violent and realising they can use it as a defence.

Awesome work - thank you

Most of the Times comments seem to be missing the point that there is no proof at all that these women agreed to 'rough sex', but that there is now a convenient and fashionable defence for men who have committed straight forward murder by claiming it was just a consensual accident. Mostly from men, with an air of distinctly bruised ego, perceiving this as 'anti men'.

Maybe the point re 50 shades is that it provides such a convenient excuse? 'Oh, she read the book and wanted to try it'. nothing to do with the reality, of course.

Thank you Fiona, Thank you, thank you, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you so much, I was heartened to see it in the Guardian. Well done!

A thousand thanks, Fiona! You should be very proud of yourself.

Just seen this, it’s fantastic!

Very well done

Agree re citing 50 shades by the paper

Great work though thank you so much

Brava Fiona! There is much which needs to change in law on this issue, and others which tie in, and it’s bloody brilliant you’re being heard