Church of England transgender blessings

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You'll never guess what...

The policy announced today was drawn up by...three transwomen (who are priests), at least one of whom describes themselves as a trans lesbian.

The guidance was compiled in consultation with the Rev Dr Tina Beardsley, the Rev Sarah Jones and Canon Rachel Mann who said in a joint statement: “Collectively, we have sought to ensure that these new pastoral guidance notes provide a rich and generous space for trans people to locate their lives in the existing liturgy for the affirmation of baptismal faith."

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/church-offers-blessing-to-transgender-people-qfzznztx7

In the meantime, the CofE won't marry gay couples.

Trans is more acceptable than gay, it seems, in a parallel world where wine can be turned into blood and everyone better believe it is real. (Or is that just the Catholic Church?)

This is all very patriarchal.

At the lecture Rachel Mann described being in a group of female priests who regularly meet with male priests who don't accept women's ordination. Rachel Mann took part in a march for 100 years of women's suffrage under a banner depicting them as Rosie the Riveter. Insight isn't a major gift here.

Yes a massive no from me too.

I can never get my head around being able to hold the belief that "God is infallible, omnipotent, all-wise", and yet could manage to put a soul in the wrong body. Or is it minimum wage angels on the assembly line these days?

Mind, I fell out with the church as a teenager when nobody would answer, orveven engage with my question "what if Christians are wrong and Muslims, or Hindus, are right?" so what do I know.

From a c of e standpoint, I really can’t imagine that they are really drinking blood. It is quite clearly a representation.

How this relates to men believing that men can be women is not something that I can explain, though.

Ah another thread full of calling trans women ‘men in frocks.’ But mumsnet is NEVER transphobic, not at all.

But by the very nature of some of them being male bodied, and wearing a dress, in some cases this it a fact. Not transphobic but a fact.

Oh come on. You can’t truly believe that referring to trans women as ‘men in frocks’ isn’t transphobic? Seriously?

Ah another thread full of calling trans women ‘men in frocks.’ But mumsnet is NEVER transphobic, not at all.

Its not full of what you claim.

Please stop with the false allegations.

R0wantrees there is several comments using that very term.

full, several, a couple, one?

#words matter

Not sure it matters. The point is that the transphobia, and constant denial of it, is getting tiring.

It does matter because you've alleged that this thread is full of something that its not.
You've used that as proof that 'Mumsnet' is transphobic.
Its not civil to smear women like this.

This is the feminism and women's rights board.

Yes, and I read it because I’m a feminist who fights for women’s rights. Despite this, I still believe everyone, including trans people, deserves to be treated with respect.

I can never get my head around being able to hold the belief that "God is infallible, omnipotent, all-wise", and yet could manage to put a soul in the wrong body. Or is it minimum wage angels on the assembly line these days?

Christians don't really believe in the infallibility of their god these days.

Or they'd be a bit more busy protesting genetic engineering (humans think they can make better food plants than god the almighty? Pure hubris!) than bothering women who want to get an abortion, something that, for all I know, isn't explicitly forbidden in the Bible.

Creationists are more concerned with denying the existence of dinosaurs than with protesting the patenting of plants and animals.

On the whole, there's a tendency to want to punish sinners themselves (see pro-lifers murdering gynecologists) instead of trusting that god will do it.

Christians (yeah, NACALT, et cetera, but a lot of them) seem to think their god is a bumbling fool who doesn't get anything done without their assistance.

Unsurprising that he's now suspected of putting female souls in male bodies on a regular basis.

A poster on a different thread has their posts deleted merely for pointing out what some people consider transphobia - actually accusing people of it on a thread is strictly forbidden.

Despite this, I still believe everyone, including trans people, deserves to be treated with respect.

It seems rather disrespectful to make false allegations and smear vast numbers of women with such a blanket statement.

This announcement gained lots of publicity for the Church.

Call me sceptical, but anything to do with trabs sells.

Trans! Need to find my glasses.

Ah another thread full of calling trans women ‘men in frocks.’ But mumsnet is NEVER transphobic, not at all.

Priests, trans or otherwise, have always been referred to as men in frocks. Deal with it.

Priests, trans or otherwise, have always been referred to as men in frocks. Deal with it.

Don't they have a thing where they are 'defrocked' for dodgy going ons?

Why is saying "males in frocks" transphobic?

Is using the word "male" now deemed transphobic?