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Legal red light zone was mistake, says its pioneer

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PimmsnLemonade · 08/12/2018 00:31

www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/news/legal-red-light-zone-was-mistake-says-its-pioneer-3km90k83s

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LassWiADelicateAir · 08/12/2018 02:08

Yes, just seen that. I wonder how they propose undoing the damage done.

Ereshkigal · 08/12/2018 02:17

I wonder if the local authority agrees.

Ereshkigal · 08/12/2018 02:22

West Yorkshire police refused to reveal the crime figures for the area

Why is this considered an appropriate response?

LassWiADelicateAir · 08/12/2018 02:56

Why is this considered an appropriate response?

Is it even a legal response?

ChattyLion · 08/12/2018 03:41

Surely Freedom of Information...?

LassWiADelicateAir · 08/12/2018 03:55

Well yes, but aside from that can a police force refuse to provide such information to a local authority?

I don't know the answer to that but surely the prevalence of crime within its area must be a legitimate fact for a council to know?

At a very basic and uncontroversial level for example are there areas with poor street lighting with higher rates of mugging or bag snatching? And if so do we need better street lights?

West Yorkshire Police just don't care how badly they perform or present do they?

Want2bSupermum · 08/12/2018 04:14

At least they spoke up. Hopefully pressure can be applied by these same people who pushed for this experiment.

Personally I'd like to see a whole different approach to prostitution. People who sell sex are 99% of the time desperate. They need help. I'd love to see prison reform groups target this population of prisoners with a comprehensive program of help which supports retribution far beyond jail. I have printed the article to PDF and sent it to my 3 local labour MPs telling them I'm watching how this is managed.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/12/2018 06:28

West Yorkshire Police just don't care how badly they perform or present do they?

Not even a little bit, evidence suggests. Though I suppose there's the even more disturbing possibility that they think this is what excellent performance/public image looks like.

Bittermints · 08/12/2018 06:50

Julie Bindel spoke very powerfully at the London LAWS meeting about prostitution. I'm with her on this one. It's not work like other work. The punters and pimps should be criminalised, not the prostituted women and girls (and men and boys, but this is mostly a case of men paying to abuse women and girls). That's the Nordic model, isn't it?

R0wantrees · 08/12/2018 07:42

worth watching the comments under the article.

boldlygoingsomewhere · 08/12/2018 08:04

worth watching the comments under the article

Doesn’t take long before the ‘oldest profession in the world’ and ‘sex is a human need’ types come out in force.

BernardBlacksWineIcelolly · 08/12/2018 08:15

it's good that the holbeck managed zone is starting to get publicity in the national media. the whole thing is a gigantic fuck up

Gileswithachainsaw · 08/12/2018 08:38

Has any body got a share token ?

sackrifice · 08/12/2018 08:41

Of course it was a mistake. One that put women and girls at massive risk.

Where are the risk assessments done prior to this? How did they mitigate the risk?

Oh they didn't feel the need to bother - it's just women and girls, they are not worth even assessing the risk.

R0wantrees · 08/12/2018 08:52

There was really important discussion at the recent CEASE conference.

I'm not sure if there's a record of the speakers / speeches:

ceaseuk.org/

Gileswithachainsaw · 08/12/2018 08:53

I'm appalled that West Yorkshire police won't release the crime figures.

You now have to wonder what horrors they are sat on....

AngryAttackKittens · 08/12/2018 09:26

I too am curious whether it's even legal for them to refuse to release the crime figures. I mean, it's not a if they've shown any respect for the law so far - entirely possible they're just hoping nobody will press the issue.

Room101isWhereIUsedtoLive · 08/12/2018 09:32

All I have to say, is 'no shit Sherlock'!!

LassWiADelicateAir · 08/12/2018 09:48

Comments are being moderated and deleted. One of mine from early morning was deleted. I can only assume because I referred to "hiring bodies as masturbation tools" and "masturbation" is banned.

TallulahWaitingInTheRain · 08/12/2018 09:52

God what a world where one can legitimately hire a body as a masturbation tool but not refer to masturbation in public discussion about whether this should be allowed

Branleuse · 08/12/2018 09:55

thanks for providing the sharetoken link

LassWiADelicateAir · 08/12/2018 10:04

Oh and don't be rude about punters either. "Punters are scum" got deleted too.

AngryAttackKittens · 08/12/2018 10:06

God forbid a man be made to feel a tiny moment of guilt about exploiting vulnerable women.