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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

An Open Letter. Dear BBC

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thecompletenonsequitur · 08/11/2018 17:03

Dear BBC
cc ITV, Channel 4, Channel 5, Sky, Global, etc

We are bog standard people.

The sort of people who do not have playdates with unicorns and mermaids and have not been enchanted by the mind altering capacities of glitter dust. The sort of people who are aware that chromosomes determine sex (even in intersex conditions). We know that the moment that pesky sperm breaks into the egg, sex is set. We know this from biology at school, and we've seen it on the telly.

Some people believe in a thing called Gender Identity. They are entitled to believe in it. They are not entitled to demand that everyone else believe in it.

It is noted that quite a lot of people in the media truly believe that the great unwashed are all on board with 'transwomen are women', 'transmen are men'. Why, only this very week were our jaws dropped by #Jeremy Vine and #Iain Dale.

We have great sympathy for people who are suffering from gender dysphoria. But 'woman' does not equal 'man who´s been getting excited in the dressing up box' (please see Stonewalls' expansive trans umbrella).

We must ask, where are your programmes/dramas/discussions/documentaries about the following?:

Detransitioners,
People suffering from the side effects of Lupron (puberty blocker),
Children having their puberty blocked, resulting in a failure of brain developement and lowering of IQ
Rapid Onset Gender Dysphoria (ROGD) and it´s causes (eg childhood sexual abuse, social contagion)
Links between autism and GD
'Y factor' women maintainting male pattern offending rates.
Autogynephilia and paraphilias in many transwomen.
The forgotten 'transexuals' who are not on board with self ID and current trans rights activism.
Why has 'T' non sequitously been tagged onto LGB ($£€)?
(We could go on. Please do get in touch if you need more program ideas.)

It is your job to interrogate all this. Where is your critical thinking? It's embarrassing.

And what mental acrobatics must be performed to believe that transwomen have a place in women's sports? We are already seeing transwomen taking prizes that belong to women. Curiously (or not) we are not seeing transmen achieving similar in men's sports.

Pause woke. Wake up, grow up, wise up. You have been groomed. Just like you were with Savile. You have let them control you. And now you are scared of them.

We remain un Stonewashed,

Bog Standard People of Mumsnet

OP posts:
OldCrone · 12/11/2018 07:50

Also, you’re assuming the sexuality of the gg in question, and don’t you think risk assessments are taken for every trip / event already?

I'll assume you know as little as your posts imply. We're not "assuming the sexuality of the gg in question", that's the whole point. Some may be attracted to boys, some to girls. The girlguiding organisation, however, assumes that transgirls are only ever attracted to boys.

Do you think that when they go on an overnight trip, there should be separate accommodation for girls and boys? If the sleeping arrangements are mixed sex, do you think parents should be told and required to give consent? Is there a physical difference between girls and transgirls?

oopster · 12/11/2018 08:11

Ugh, my brain is starting to hurt from the stupidity now. Risk assessments are carried out for every trip. The number of transgirls in the gg is going to be tiny, the parents will most likely already know know of their existence and if they don’t, why would they suddenly find out or even need to know? You’re arguing from a position that transgirls will automatically be a threat to other girls, when all they want to do is go on the trip with their friends.

deepwatersolo · 12/11/2018 08:17

You’re arguing from a position that transgirls will automatically be a threat to other girls, when all they want to do is go on the trip with their friends.

Transgirls are as much or little of a threat to other girls as boys. It makes zero sense that there should be distinct safeguarding rules for boys and transgirls.

OldCrone · 12/11/2018 08:21

The number of transgirls in the gg is going to be tiny, the parents will most likely already know know of their existence and if they don’t, why would they suddenly find out or even need to know?

Why would they need to know? Is there a physical difference between girls and transgirls?

You’re arguing from a position that transgirls will automatically be a threat to other girls

No. I'm arguing from a position that there is a physical difference between girls and transgirls. Am I wrong?

littlbrowndog · 12/11/2018 08:21

You miss the point oopster
The whole thing is about safeguarding
Just because the kid thinks they are a girl does not allow safeguarding to be dismissed because of the thoughts in a kids head
And how you meant to be safeguarding if the kid is counted as a girl
It’s tosh and very unsafe
How is a leader meant to do a proper assessment on the basis above

littlbrowndog · 12/11/2018 08:23

You not wrong old crone
That is the whole crux of it

HumphreyCobblers · 12/11/2018 08:26

I would love to sign that letter. Absolutely brilliant

Charliethefeminist · 12/11/2018 14:37

Got the name of the BBC feedback telly prog. Newswatch. Worth a try writing to them. Female presenter.

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