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Feminism: Sex and gender discussions

"I don't give a fuck about your traumatic sexual assault"

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MagicMix · 23/10/2018 11:51

Here is an example of a particularly nasty outpouring of male rage over the Trump thing. Fuck you women, how dare you say no to men. He comes right out and says it (as part of a longer FB rant - this is a man called George Godwyn, who appears to be a standard wokebro with the standard longing to release some of that pent-up misogyny in a socially acceptable way).

Some of the reactions to this have been a bit funny in their ridiculous hyperbole about trans people not actually existing if we acknowledge that sex is a thing, but some like this are truly chilling. I know most women here are already fully aware of this, but to anybody reading who's still thinking we can all just be nice about this, no we can't. The push to abolish sex and replace it with gender identity is coming from people who don't think women should be allowed any boundaries around intimate spaces for any reason. Women saying no absolutely enrages them. If men commit violence against gender non-conforming people, it was women's fault for having boundaries.

Women, do what men say. Or fuck you.

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nauticant · 23/10/2018 11:55

This George Godwyn?

medium.com/@GeorgeGodwyn/what-they-want-e57420a73748

MagicMix · 23/10/2018 12:01

Oh yes, that's exactly it. Thanks for providing the link. I saw it on FB, so I just took a screenshot of that particular paragraph because it made my blood run cold.

Just to clarify, OF COURSE I also think it is abhorrent to say that trans people should die.

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Kuntie · 23/10/2018 12:04

That article is insane. Why pick Buck Angel, someone who passes as a male and would likely be very safe using the male bathroom due to this? It's not like women would really notice if a passing trans woman was quietly using the bathroom. They want everyone to believe that all trans women medically transition and pass and therefore won't be scary or a threat to women.

nauticant · 23/10/2018 12:05

The raw hatred hits you in the face doesn't it? Trump supporters are evil. Anyone I label as a Trump supporter must be evil too. Evil must be crushed.

It's a wholly toxic contribution to the debate.

BiologyMatters · 23/10/2018 12:06

Wow talk about hyperbole in that article! I had to read the screen shot twice because when I read the last line I thought that he actually understood why a girl might not want to use a bathroom with boys but no he means trans girl. So, a boy. We come back to male violence again.

I know so many trans people and I know how difficult it can be for them, sometimes, just to live their lives, what a scary place the world can be.

You want to be a woman? well that's how lots of women experience the world. He isnt doing much to help, talking about how he doesn't care about your pissing 8 year old or your sexual assault. No wonder we don't want people like him in our spaces.

Charliethefeminist · 23/10/2018 12:11

Surely the response to 'you want everyone to go in to toilets according to birth sex so here's a picture of Buck Angel' is simply, 'no, we don't'. We specifically want male-bodied people out of female spaces. Why would I mind if Buck Angel uses the gents? Do the gents mind? No. So why should I? Why do I mind if even a thousand handmaidens wish to use the gents toilet to validate and show solidarity with trans people? I'm sure the wokebros won't object to their presence, in the name of inclusion, love not hate, etc. Why shouldn't female bodied people use the gents?

All I object to is male bodied people in female spaces.

ProfessoressWoland · 23/10/2018 12:14

It would be hilarious if it wasn't so dangerous.
Woke bloke thinks he's defending the rights of a vulnerable teenage girl and fails to realise that he's shouting on behalf of burly late transitioning autogynephiliacs and the unhinged types with the "you can suck my big lady cock" attitude.

UpstartCrow · 23/10/2018 12:18

First thing I thought of was that bile laden 'terfs are trash' song, and the subsequent disappointment of his bro mates when they found out he was an unrepentant rapist.

deepwatersolo · 23/10/2018 12:20

Well, I guess it is fair to say that I do not give a fuck about George Godwyn.

ijustwannadance · 23/10/2018 12:22

They always use the young trans as examples rather than the middle age males who have been happily using men's toilets for most of their lives.

nauticant · 23/10/2018 12:25

This is an example of who marches under the Antifa banner. I wonder if he's aware he's actually marching for Trump?

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 12:33

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"I don't give a fuck about your traumatic sexual assault"
MagicMix · 23/10/2018 12:46

This was shared by someone I know who is an antifa supporting, mask-wearing at protests, 'punch a Nazi' type.

In person he seems kind and genial and I agree with him on a lot of political issues, although I always found him a little hyperbolic. Years ago, I used to think he was just being funny with all his talk of violent revolution, fetishizing of the Bolsheviks etc. I thought he was joking.

Now I think there is a certain type of man on the left who actually has a genuine violent streak and would commit violence without a qualm if he thought he was on the righteous side. I can't look at him in the same way. It makes me wonder, would he actually punch me or support violence against me if he knew what I thought? Would he justify it by saying that I wanted trans people to be exterminated?

I know a lot of woke people but he is the only one that I actually would be concerned about being alone with. There are so many red flags.

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Trousered · 23/10/2018 12:46

He says;

Why do you want someone presenting as a woman in every respect using the damn men’s room

He really has a problem with that doesn't he, he really doesn't want feminine looking men anywhere near him. He needs to get them away from him......this is the root of the problem he has.

Why is that, is he afraid of men that don't conform to gender stereotypes? He comes across severely transphobic.

I've met other men that say this, they say we don't want them in the men's either......

GCAcademic · 23/10/2018 12:47

Meanwhile, this is what happened to Rosa Freedman today:

mobile.twitter.com/GoonerProf/status/1054668069405147136

If you’re on Twitter, please send her support.

R0wantrees · 23/10/2018 13:02

Rosa Freedman
Prof of Law, Conflict & Global Development
University of Reading

(important observation about how students may be influenced by lecturers)

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NeurotrashWarrior · 23/10/2018 13:11

That's awful.

Credit to Bewilderness and itsallgoingtobefine.

THE RULES OF MISOGYNY

1st rule of misogyny: Women are responsible for what men do.

2nd rule of misogyny: Women saying no to men is a hate crime.

3rd rule of misogyny: Women speaking for themselves are exclusionary and selfish.

4th rule of misogyny: Women's opinions are violence against men thus male violence against women is justified.

5th rule of misogyny: WATM! [What about the Men] Women and Feminism must be useful to men or they are worthless.

6th rule of misogyny: Women who go around being female AT men by menstruating and breast feeding babies deserve punishment.

7th rule of misogyny: Women should always be grateful to men for everything.

8th rule of misogyny: Men are whatever men say they are and women are whatever men say they are.

9th rule of misogyny: Men always know the "real reasons" for everything women do and say.

10th rule of misogyny: The worst thing about male violence is that it males men look bad.

11th rule of misogyny: Basic pattern recognition skills are cruel and evil when they hurt men's feelings.

12th rule of misogyny: whatever women suffer from, men suffer from more.

Waterparc · 23/10/2018 13:13

thank you for the Glosswitch comment Rowantrees it's awesome.

stillathing · 23/10/2018 13:22

These idiots though, I would bet anything they never respected women in the first place, they just had enough social nous to realise they'd never pull if they didn't keep a lid on the misogyny. My partner is "woke" and was initially shocked when I confided my concerns about self ID etc. (because TWAW is sold as part of the package if you only read the Guardian.... It takes some research to realise its really got nothing in common with other rights movements, plus so many facts are obscured) But he listened, went away and researched, and came back completely on side. As I knew he would because he's always been respectful of women and is probably less sexist than I am. If I was single I'd use this issue as a handy way to filter out dick heads.

stillathing · 23/10/2018 13:26

That's absolutely disgusting what happened to Prof Freedman. To be dismissed in a moment of vulnerability. Kind of a smaller version of this whole non debate.

MagicMix · 23/10/2018 13:30

These idiots though, I would bet anything they never respected women in the first place, they just had enough social nous to realise they'd never pull if they didn't keep a lid on the misogyny.

Yes, that's becoming increasingly clear. They are overjoyed to have a righteous outlet for their misogyny and a chance to tell disobedient women to shut the fuck up. It's quite evident that this man has never given a fuck about sexual assaults on women, and to be honest I'd wager he doesn't really give a fuck about sexual assaults on transwomen either. He's just using it as a stick to beat women with.

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Fairenuff · 23/10/2018 13:40

The whole basis of that article is 'males are violent'.

But let's ignore that and insist that females allow males into their sex segregated areas.

Even though, well, males are violent.

No sense, as usual.

Freespeecher · 23/10/2018 13:45

Well I for one am not in favour of Godwyn's law.

53rdWay · 23/10/2018 13:47

Now I think there is a certain type of man on the left who actually has a genuine violent streak and would commit violence without a qualm if he thought he was on the righteous side.

There absolutely is. They scare me. So much pent-up rage justified with “I’m just so angry about the plight of the oppressed!”

There’s a big overlap with the group that get masturbatory-level joyful talking about violent revolution and guillotines, yet aren’t interested in doing any of the long, boring drudge-work of activism that won’t get you 20k easy retweets. And with the group who glamourise male manual labour as genuine working-class work, but aren’t anywhere near as interested in the low-paid jobs that traditionally get done by women.

CaptSkippy · 23/10/2018 14:00

Read the Twitter feed. Big surprise the student threatening her was a dude. That's all perfectly okay long the Rules of Misogyny.

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